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DrBwlr15

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Layout vs Surface
« on: July 13, 2016, 11:33:40 PM »
I read a lot posts about dual angle layouts and how a ball gets drilled but I don't read much about cover. From my experience and what I have read, layouts have very minimal affect on the ball compared to what surface/strength of cover you have on the ball plus what oil pattern you are bowling on... I have 4 drilling patterns I use and I honestly can't see much of a difference between each one but when I change the surface, Its like a whole new ball.

So Here's my question. When buying a ball, are you more worried about layout or what surface. Also, do you consider the cover or core shape/numbers more important? I'm asking just so I can get a better understanding of how you guys set your arsenal for not only league play but tournaments as well....
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SVstar34

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Re: Layout vs Surface
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2016, 12:13:57 AM »
I consider the core/cover combination before anything. When I'm buying a ball it's generally to fill a certain spot so I look at the balls that have covers I feel like can fit that spot.

Layout is really not a primary factor, I fall in the crowd where sticking with similar layouts and using different surfaces keeps things a lot simpler. I usually stay in the 3.5-4.5 pin-pap range, lower val angle for quicker transition, higher val angle for slower transition. Adjust surface as needed
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Re: Layout vs Surface
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2016, 07:51:28 AM »
Quote from: DrBwlr15 on July 13, 2016, 11:33:40 PM
I read a lot posts about dual angle layouts and how a ball gets drilled but I don't read much about cover. From my experience and what I have read, layouts have very minimal affect on the ball compared to what surface/strength of cover you have on the ball plus what oil pattern you are bowling on... I have 4 drilling patterns I use and I honestly can't see much of a difference between each one but when I change the surface, Its like a whole new ball.

So Here's my question. When buying a ball, are you more worried about layout or what surface. Also, do you consider the cover or core shape/numbers more important? I'm asking just so I can get a better understanding of how you guys set your arsenal for not only league play but tournaments as well....

For me I keep it simple.  I ask two questions.  1.  What ball motion am I looking for?  2.  What ball fits that ball motion? 

RG #s I dont look at so much because you would think an RG of 2.48 would mean roll at your feet.  But my Violent Eruption is the exact opposite.  OOB it went 45+ feet down the lane before attempting any motion.  I had to take the ball in to the pro shop and knock the polish off and go to a lower grade polish.  For a ball with 2.48 RG; it was extremely clean through the front part of the lane.  I tend to look more at the diff # instead simply because a higher diff means laying it out without a weight hole unless I want drill it pin down which I rarely do. 
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Re: Layout vs Surface
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2016, 08:26:02 AM »
I also try to simplify the selection process from all of the hype of what is "new" and go with what is needed. Core numbers and coverstock names etc mean very little to me, instead I look at the balls intended purpose. (as written by the manufacture)

Ball for heavier oil in the high performance range. I start checking different manufactures products for that section. Then I look at what reaction shape they say it will have along with the box finish. When I find something close or spot on then I narrow it down to a layout to match what shape I am looking for. Then when I get the actual ball depending on pin/cg/and mb I can stick with the layout chosen or modify it slightly depending on those balls specs I have available.

Surface is first for me. I have altered many bowling ball surfaces before ever throwing them. Then layout and possible weight hole location options IF needed.

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Re: Layout vs Surface
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2016, 09:41:47 AM »
 House conditions are usually designed to give the most diverse releases and wide range of bowling balls the pocket. Drilling patterns are minimized because of this. Once you start bowling on challenge patterns or sport compliant patterns, than the drilling becomes much more important than it is on a house condition.

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Re: Layout vs Surface
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2016, 11:01:59 AM »
Quote from: tommygn on July 14, 2016, 09:41:47 AM
House conditions are usually designed to give the most diverse releases and wide range of bowling balls the pocket. Drilling patterns are minimized because of this. Once you start bowling on challenge patterns or sport compliant patterns, than the drilling becomes much more important than it is on a house condition.


One example I like to give bowlers is in reference to bowling ball demos. Normal house pattern with a bowling ball pre-drilled, and being thrown by several different bowlers. Most get ball reactions they really like, and the layout wasn't taking their specific style or PAP into consideration.
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