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spikles2

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Closing of our bowling alley!!! Help needed
« on: March 31, 2005, 12:41:22 AM »
Good Morning to all,

On December 5th, 2004, our bowling alley closed its doors. The local bank has the rights to the building and they said it wasn't making enough money.  Come to find out that there is a small business loan worth a substantial amount outstanding from the previous owners.  So guess what, the bank wants the same amount which is about twice what the building is worth.   We have made countless offers to get the rights to the center.  Each time, I was told by the bank staff that they would do anything to help keep this center open.  I gave up after the fourth offer.

This house is 16 lanes.  Approaches are wood and lanes are synthetic.  Has Brunswick A-2 pinsetters that need substantial work.  Proshop needs work.  We wanted to completely remodel from the back wall to the street.  I am frustrated with the whole situation.  The one's that suffer are the children and the elderly that bowl in leagues.  For alot of them, that was their only hobby.  For myself, I can drive the hour and make an evening of it but I feel like I shouldn't have to.  2 college town with no entertainment.  What is wrong with this picture.  Any suggestions would be appreciated.
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spikles2

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Re: Closing of our bowling alley!!! Help needed
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2005, 08:42:14 AM »
Trigger,

   Thank you for the insight.  You hit the nail on the head.  Topic has been moved to misc.
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Re: Closing of our bowling alley!!! Help needed
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2005, 09:47:26 AM »
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So guess what, the bank wants the same amount which is about twice what the building is worth. We have made countless offers to get the rights to the center. Each time, I was told by the bank staff that they would do anything to help keep this center open. I gave up after the fourth offer.


Don't give up!  I remember reading in a real estate book about buying foreclosed properties from the banks... They said to keep submitting your same offer once a month.  The bank will hold out as long as they can to try and recover as much money as they can.  However, eventually they will decide to get the property off the books for whatever they can get, and when they do it wouldn't hurt for your offer to be sitting in front of them...  Good luck!

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Re: Closing of our bowling alley!!! Help needed
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2005, 10:04:48 AM »
For what it's worth, my home town (at the time) had two houses; then both eventually closed.  The last has been closed will have been closed 18 months before the new center that someone else is opening.


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Re: Closing of our bowling alley!!! Help needed
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2005, 10:11:37 AM »
First, you need to see what amount of money you can come up with....cash. Second, approach Brunswick with that amount, if you can come up with between 25-40% of the money and your town is large enough, they will help you find outside financing/investors.
I have been working on building a new center in our town for several months due to our lanes being closed and sold for a conference area. All I can say, you have to have cash (type money) in hand before they will help. It's not always easy, (I'm working on 6.2Mil for ours) and there are always roadblocks, keep after some money and if you are lucky, things will work out.

If you'd like any other info, email me and I'll tell you where/what/how to do what I know of this topic.
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spikles2

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Re: Closing of our bowling alley!!! Help needed
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2005, 10:26:46 AM »
Thank you for the insight. Several good responses. I guess what gets me is the fact they were not upfront with me to start with.  It would have saved me about 500 hours of research time.  The seed money is not a problem.  The bank for the last 3 months has been having private parties there.  They bowled on the lanes without any lane oil, did not clean up after themselves, and the bank didn't even let the public know it was for sale. To cap it all of, the rest of my town knew the bank had turned down the final offer before I did.  Bad business!!  Again thank you for all your responses.
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Re: Closing of our bowling alley!!! Help needed
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2005, 10:46:15 AM »
Your post doesn't really say what you've presented to the bank.  If the outstanding loan is worth more than the center itself, then I'm curious how the previous owners secured the loan in the first place (bad judgement on the bank's part).

First of all, make sure that you present the bank with a couple of independant appraisals of the property (including machinery and equipment inside), prove to them that your offer is fair and reasonable.  If the bank is a large chain, go to a regional office, not just the local branch.  If part of your proposal is taking on a loan of your own, then present a business plan showing how you will make the center profitable within 3 years (most small businesses fail in 2 years or less), while making your payments.  The business plan should be by month.  Heck, try offering the bank free advertising within the center.  The center I go to shows ads for the local businesses that sponsor teams in the big $$ leagues.

Also, get the local paper (and college papers!) to run an article on the plight of the center.  If it truly was one of the only things to do in town, it will generate interest.  

Finally, you need to ask yourself why the center failed in the first place?  If this is a two college town with not much else to do in town, then why did it fail?  Bad management?  Poor pricing?  Not enough volume?  Crappy employees?Before you jump in with both feet, you should find out.  Talk to the previous owners about what happened.  You may not necessarily get a straight answer, but it should be able to give you a general idea.  

No matter what, be prepared not to turn a profit for a couple of years.  As I said earlier, statistics show that most small businesses last less than 2 years, don't go in expecting to turn a profit right away.

Good-luck!