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Silencer

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Should a makeup count for a league high award?
« on: January 28, 2009, 11:22:13 AM »
Right now in my adult scratch league, my team currently has the second high team game, 793 scratch (3 Man Team). Each person on the team high game gets $100 a person. The current high game in the league is an 803 which was shot in a makeup.

Now personally, I don't think prebowls or makeups should be allowed in a scratch league anyways, but should it still count as the league high game?

We bowl on a second shift league. The league before us is a 5 man team, 10 on a pair, so we get sloppy seconds. I don't know when the team did the makeup besides the fact it wasn't on the same day we bowl league.

What is all of your opinions and does anyone know the exact rule on this?
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Re: Should a makeup count for a league high award?
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2009, 07:30:20 PM »
I understand the potential unfairness of having to bowl on a 2nd shift and then having a make-up or a pre-bowl or post-bowl having clean, unused lanes during the day. They can score much better than a 2nd shift. Heck, it almost plain unfair to the opposing team that doesn't pre/post-bowl, not just the rest of the league, like your team for the high game award.

That said, the make-up/pre-bowl/post-bowl is part of the games that make up the league. The league or the USBC rules allow them. All the teams, including yours, must have agreed on the format and the reasons for allowing them. How can they not count for any and every award or anything else?

Unless there's a special league rule that says they do not count, I would say that they have to count. You can always work to get that changed for next year. I don't see how you can change it retroactively.
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Hogsharley

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Re: Should a makeup count for a league high award?
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2009, 07:31:15 PM »
If the scores count towards regular league points and there's nothing in the league rules that states make up scores won't count towards league awards, then the make up scores should count towards those awards.

All you can do is bring this up for vote for next season.
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Re: Should a makeup count for a league high award?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2009, 07:35:53 PM »
I kind of feared those answers. Maybe my team should just try and do a make up or two and try to shoot a big score on the fresh shot.

Thanks for the input
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Hogsharley

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Re: Should a makeup count for a league high award?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2009, 07:48:00 PM »
If you intentionally ask for a make up so you can gain an unfair advantage, that's really breaking the rules (cheating!). The make up's are set up so times when bowlers can't make it to the alley to bowl, not to take advantage of league rules loopholes. If people take advantage of these rules, maybe the league should ban make ups all together.
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I kind of feared those answers. Maybe my team should just try and do a make up or two and try to shoot a big score on the fresh shot.

Thanks for the input
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Re: Should a makeup count for a league high award?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2009, 07:58:52 PM »
Usually a make-up in a league is due to a city, state, or USBC tournament.  However, the team they would have bowled should have the option to bowl as well for that day's league and if they decline, that would be the fault of that team.  If it's because a team can't get there due to whatever, then the forfeit rules should apply.  I have seen where an entire league makes up a week due to whatever the situation may be such as a holiday falling on a league day or if it falls on say a holiday weekend.  usually, those make-ups are done either on an off day, but then I have seen them when they are done back to back.  It boils down to what your league had voted on if any during your league meeting prior to bowling.  If nothing was adopted, then the USBC rules apply.  I would review your league rules if you haven't already done so.

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Silencer

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Re: Should a makeup count for a league high award?
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2009, 08:16:35 PM »
Not sure why the team couldn't make it that night. We bowl Tuesday nights at 9pm. I just really think that in a scratch league where there is a good ammount of money going around, make-ups and pre-bowls should not be allowed but I guess that would have to be changed in the league rules for next year. I won't be bowling the league next year so it won't matter.
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Hogsharley

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Re: Should a makeup count for a league high award?
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2009, 08:27:16 PM »
If your league is the last league that bowls, a good rules would be for the make ups to be completed directly after the league ends on a different pair. Once a team knows that they will be bowling on the Sahara Desert, they'll make it a point not to miss any regular league nights.
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Silencer

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Re: Should a makeup count for a league high award?
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2009, 10:24:46 PM »
Yeah I like that idea. We are the last league of the night.
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Re: Should a makeup count for a league high award?
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2009, 10:45:12 PM »
Yeah, but if they can't make it for the 9pm shift then they wouldn't be there for the 12am shift. Plus, if the center isn't open that late they can't bowl after the league if the center closes. USBC states that if an emergency arises then a team can pre or post bowl, unless the league rules stipulates that there is no pre or post bowling. We have teams that for work reasons or medical reasons they can't bowl or members being out of town. Regardless of the money involved, if it's not in the league rules, then your out of luck. Just my $.02, Bruce
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