Author Topic: Should bowling centers be included? (Read 5637 times)

v02maxlefty · « **on:** June 22, 2004, 05:38:21 PM »

I live and bowl in Columbus, Ohio. Our city council is going to vote Monday on a complete city wide smoking ban that will include all public buildings,plus all bars and bowling alleys. As you can imagine, it is a hot debate. The center I bowl at for my summer sport condition league on Thursday nights, left nasty mean spirited letters on all the tables in favor of smokers rights. Basicaly saying that if you can't stand second hand smoke, you should find another activity. It also stated that a traditional three hour league was to long for partons to go without a smoke. I personally don't smoke, but I wouldn't let that stop me from bowling. To all you smokers out there, I am curious. Will a smoking ban in bowling centers also kill your desire to bowl? Seems like the centers are really worried about their bottom line, over and above the health risk of second hand smoke does present.

rollingthunder · « **Reply #31 on:** June 23, 2004, 01:59:00 PM »

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Will they be required to only smoke in their vehicle or home.

Card79, There was talk here a few months ago about a new ordinance that went into effect. If you smoke in your vehicles, you had to have the windows rolled up. Otherwise it would be a ticket. Reasoning was because of all the fires being started by cigarettes tossed out of vehicle windows. You can drive up and down the roads and highways and see burnt areas anywhere from a couple of feet to hundreds of feet on the sides of the roads/highways.
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I would think tossing cigarettes out on the road would be
considered littering and if caught they should get a
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DanH78 · « **Reply #32 on:** June 23, 2004, 02:33:58 PM »

[quote And the reason there isn't a non-smoking restaurant/bar/bowling alley for every one that allows smoking is because odds are you'd just split the clientelle and neither business would be profitable enough to stay open.

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I didn't say one non smoking establishment for every smoking one. That would flood the market and they is no differentiation if everything is the same.

You do have a choice. You can tell business owners how you feel by not giving them your business. You can institute league rules about smoking. My Tuesday nite league did, and I have seen many others on this thread say the same thing. You can try to get the proprietor to have certain nites during the week non smoking. Try lobbying the owner to install better ventalation/purifiers.

Why must the government make all our decisions for us? I'm not against banning smoking. I'm against the government telling me what I can and can not do when there are no laws against it.

MTFD24 · « **Reply #33 on:** June 23, 2004, 02:55:48 PM »

NY State made Restaurants install "smoke areas" seperating the dining area. This was an enclosed area with ventilation. It cost some small restaurants $30,000 - $50,000 to comply if they wanted customers to be able to smoke.

Now NY State passed a Non-Smoking Law which rendered those 2-3 year old modifications junk.

Of course there is now no-smoking in bowling centers as well, and although it has not effected the # of bowlers per say, it has virtually killed their bar/restaurant business. Now those that would have stayed after, leave.

As stated by Bones, there now is a delay between games as smokers head outside to light up (yes, even in Buffalo snow).

Has the law helped? I believe it has and will improve peoples health down the road. But it has put a financial hurt on many business owners, especially bar/restaurants. It might not be so bad in warmer climates, but here in the northeast, people are now staying home, house parties, etc., rather than patronizing local gathering places.
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DanH78 · « **Reply #34 on:** June 23, 2004, 03:49:34 PM »

g-thing,

That was me defending the owner. Being an ex bartender, I think I can show you the difference (at least the difference as relayed to me during alcohol awareness training) The bowling alley isn't supplying cigarrettes. The bar is supplying alcohol. The lawsuits are brought by people injured as a result of other people drinking. They are generally named as co-defendants along side the drunk who caused the accident.

You have to be able to show proximate cause. You can prove that the accident was caused by overserving someone. You can also prove that lung disease is caused by second hand smoke. However, to link the disease to an establishment is, in my opinion anyways, a big leap. So big that a judge most likely would throw the case out. There would have to be a law against smoking, and then the establishment in question would have to break that law. Just as there are laws against over serving and serving minors.

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