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lhooker

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Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« on: March 03, 2012, 10:26:34 AM »
Bought a Storm Cross Road last night (and a Roto Dark Star). I literally took my two new pieces to another center to jackpot with a few friends, as usual on Friday night. Around the 4th frame of the frist game, one of the guys noticed that he had 2-3" scrapes all over his ball, roughly 6-8 total. Apparently, more than half(6 of us) of our balls received this type of damage including my Cross Road which was literally  a couple of hours old. 
 
My ball looked like a ball that had 50-75 games on it and would need to be resurfaced at least to repair the damage. Am I wrong for demanding that they replace this ball that didn't have a game on it? Another thing to consider, during league play before we got there, bowlers complained about the problem, which they claim they fixed before allowing us to bowl on those lanes. I generally agree that normal wear and tear occurs and that scrapes will accumulate over time. I do feel that this is a unique situation and since the ball was so freaking new that my ball should fall into the replacement category. What do you guys think?



 

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Re: Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2012, 11:32:41 AM »
MOST centers these days have a "disclaimer" up somewhere, stating that they will not be held responsible for damage done to bowling balls.

 

 IF they have one of those displayed in public view, they cannot be held liable for the damage, and ANYTHING they offer to do for you is at their own discretion.

 

 I, personally, think they should offer to replace it, but wouldn't be surprised at all if they do not.

 

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Re: Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2012, 12:13:42 PM »
I definitely would at least chat with house management and see what they can do.  If there is not a sign posted, then they should replace it in my opinion.  If it is a corporate center such as a Brunswick Zone or AMF center, complaining to corporate can help if house management gives you the run around.

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Re: Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2012, 12:43:56 PM »
I think that just because they have a sign that says they're not responsible does not automatically make them NOT responsible. If a doctor has a sign on his door that say he is not responsible if his treatment kills you, do you think that will hold up legally? I am not saying these are the same, but the difference is only one of degree. Your family might sue the doctor for millions. You may only be able to sue the center for $200. Both are still responsible for the damage they cause.
 
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Re: Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2012, 01:02:13 PM »
Most centers will try to resurface the ball, if the scratches are light.  Deeper ones they will try to repair.  They usually have an agreement with the pro shop that they do these repairs at no cost to the center.

 

I think, if you were a regular bowler there, they would probably work closer with you in corecting the problem but since you are not (at least I do not think) a regular house bowler then its a tough call.

 

As already said, talk to the owner/manager and try to work something out.  Remember, it wasn't just your ball that got damaged, so whatever he does for you he will have to do for the others.  This itself could be his reason for taking the cheapest route.

 

 

 



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Re: Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2012, 01:12:46 PM »
 I have spoken to the owner before, going to try catch him today. Only 2 if us want replacements, the other guy had a karma with about 3 games on it. We bowl there regularly, not sure how much management skill care. My biggest problem is the fact that they put us on lanes that were having those problems an hour before we bowled. They "thought" it was fixed is what I was told at the time


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Re: Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2012, 10:28:50 PM »
The key here is how WIDE are the scratches?  If they are narrow I wouldn't worry about them. The engraving is nothing more than many small scratches about 1/16" thick.  Resurfacing a ball if done half-a**, which most ball damage is....will probably do more harm than good.  If the ball is repairable, which it most likely is, the center probably won't replace it.

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Re: Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2012, 10:42:59 PM »
I completely agree with Charlest.  Just because you have a sign up, it does not absolve you of liability for damage

that you have caused.



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Re: Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2012, 10:46:26 PM »
The biggest concern the center owner has is that if he replaces one ball then the floodgates will open and everyone will expect their ball to be replaced. That's one of the biggest reasons that many centers refuse to replace balls that are not completely ruined.



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Re: Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2012, 07:10:24 AM »
I have 2 different balls with less than 3 games that have been gouged over the years.  Both times the center repaired the ball.  Yes a new ball would have been nice, but as long as it does not impact my performance I was fine with the repairs.
 
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Re: Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2012, 10:59:12 AM »
Update: Got to really look at the ball yesterday. The majority of the deeper scratches were right outside the bridge area, nothing in the track area. Smaller scratches and nicks were close to the track area but not especially deep. I just had the pro shop operator there resurface by the fingers and not the entire ball.
 
When I spoke to the owner, I was initially told that the operator couldn't resurface until Monday no matter what although he was working at the time with only one customer in the shop. After explaining multiple times that I needed completed Saturday because I would be going back home Sunday (3hours away) he finally realized that it wouldn't take much effort to quickly get it resurfaced.
 
He then continued to ask a few chastising questions like, "if one guy saw a scratch, why did you all keep bowling"? To which I replied, he noticed the scratch when it was his turn to bowl the next frame. At that point, the damage had been to done to almost everybody's equipment. Also asked bluntly "Why were you here yesterday anyway" To which I replied, I didn't know that I couldn't occasionally visit my hometown and bowl at the local centers.
 
It should be noted that in that morning that I was there, the youth league bowlers experienced the same problem with their equipment on the same pair of lanes, had to be moved. Apparently they were still having problems with that pair of lanes and allowing bowlers to damage their equipment until the issue was fully resolved. 
 
I spoke with a reasonable tone the entire time but when he began to question my intelligence, it took a lot for me to keep from making a scene there at the counter. The pro shop owner was very professional about the situation, the owner and staff, not so much. 



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Re: Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2012, 03:15:18 PM »
Since he was so nice to you, I would publish the name of the center and the location so people can read about it and stay the hell away from it.


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Re: Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2012, 04:42:01 PM »
Being a former proprietor BW is correct.  Once a center starts replacing balls everyone wants a new ball.  The question here is if there were a bunch of guys bowling and they all have scratches once it happened did you ask to be moved? or did you continue on.  A center owner will repair minor scratches but if you knew the lanes were damaging balls and you continued to bowl chances of replacing the balls are almost zero.  If you threw a couple shots and reported it that may be a different story.  It is very common for bowlers that are not regulars to bring balls from other centers and claim they were damaged in the center.  We had a center 30 miles away that damaged a lot of balls.  People would bring them to me to have them fixed and said my center did it because our pro shop was a lot better.  If you bowled at my center on a regular basis and I could track your activities I would be more apt to replace the ball.  Many centers if they do replace a ball also require that the ball be drilled there.  They will keep the old ball resurface it and sell it. 
 
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Re: Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2012, 08:17:14 PM »
We were in the 4th frame of our 1st game when we found out about the damages. We stopped, asked to be moved and asked for ball repair/replacement reports. This was no scheme by the bowlers as this group of bowlers bowls there at that time every Friday night. Besides, why buy a ball to have it replaced within the first 4 frames of throwing it? 
 
I understand the need  to limit replacements because everybody always wants to get their balls replaced for any nick or scratch. There were only 2 of us (out of 6) that wanted full replacements, myself and another guy who recently bought the new Karma and had 3-5 games on it max. (his ball was actually in a lot worse shape than my ball).
 
This is the first time I've requested a replacement after ball return damage to my ball. I felt more strongly about this request because the problem occurred less than an hour before we bowled and they put us on the supposedly "fixed" lanes. I would also like to remind you that those "fixed" lanes malfunctioned in the same way the very next morning during the youth league they have while I was there to get the ball repaired. The alley in question is Bonanza Lanes in Warren, MI



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Re: Should Center Replace or Repair the Ball?
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2012, 11:07:17 PM »
The center manager or owner will hopefully do a good job investigating your issue and get you taken care of properly.  They most likely will go thru a process to see exactly what did occur.  They don't want to lose your business but they want to make sure replacing a ball is justified.  It is kind of like going down a check list and eliminating all the bad things that can happen and protecting themselves and making you happy in the process.  Honestly very few people try to pull something like ball damage scams over on centers but it does happen.  There is a certain amount of damages that centers allow for.  Machines do fail.  Center managers usually are well aware of what goes on and have procedures to go by.  My suggestion is be patient and understand.  I am sure you and the center will come to an agreement.  If your not happy with what ends up happening it is bad for the center unless they have a horrible reputation in the first place. 
 
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