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The Hose

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Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« on: March 25, 2004, 12:13:49 AM »
For some reason, I thought that PBA touring 1 player were not able to bowl in the ABC Nationals.  I now know that isn't correct.  
Do you think it's fair for us house hacks to compete against the best in the world?
I'd hate to walk in, invest 300 bucks on brackets, then find out that 20 PBA members were on my squad.
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Re: Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2004, 03:24:28 PM »
Yeah. I heard that Wayne Webb has bowled. The Mini-Eliminator disallows PBA members with titles before and now has gone a step further by disallowing the so-called profeesional amateurs. But Wayne Webb is a multi-title holder. Can anybody share why the ABC is lenient to PBA players? There is the ABC MAsters where PBA and amateur players compete so why do they have to compete in the ABC Nationals? Appreciate your feedback.
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The Hose

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Re: Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2004, 03:30:49 PM »
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Full time tour players are not allowed to bowl the ABC. Check your entry and you will find the specific rules.  I believe it is something like more than 1/2 of the national stops in the previous calendar year.  Regional pros, senior pros, and part time touring pros may bowl, but no more than 2 per team are allowed.


Now I understand how come Chris Johnson is bowling this weekend. He didn't get his card until June.
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Re: Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2004, 03:36:24 PM »
Hose

I don't think I've ever seen 20 on the same squad, but even a few pros and a couple of talented amateurs can throw the brackets off.  My recent attempt at nationals found Dave Husted and Ernie Schlegel bowling on my normally tame squad during convention week.  If that wasn't bad enough, I also was knocked out by Ronald McDonald.  Guess it just wasn't my day.
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Re: Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2004, 03:38:45 PM »
If you have bowled less that 10 national PBA stops (that includes the Masters and US Open) the previous calendar year you can bowl. No more than 2 PBA players per team and they cannot team up in doubles.

The fall swing consisted of 9 stops not including the tournament of champions. So if you didn't bowl the Masters or the US open last spring you could have bowled full time last fall and still get in.
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The Hose

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Re: Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2004, 03:39:37 PM »
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I also was knocked out by Ronald McDonald.  


I've always heard he had a pretty mean left cross
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Re: Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2004, 03:51:49 PM »
"If Swedish/British/Asian national team members can, then why not PBA members?

Mongo the UnLefty"


Mongo,

FYI, Asia is not a nation....
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Re: Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2004, 04:21:55 PM »
Hose wrote:

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I'd hate to walk in, invest 300 bucks on brackets, then find out that 20 PBA members were on my squad.
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Against you, no problem.
Against me, problem.
I got just that situation 3 years ago, in Reno. One of the guys I was up against was Marshall Holman who was bowling on the next pair in singles/doubles. I beat him in a bracket. One of the higlights of my meager career! (Sorry if that's the 49th time I've mentioned it, but there haven't been that many.)

Oh, FYI, if 20 PBA guys are bowling on your squad, thank your lucky stars. Beacuse if they are, then the odds are that the block of 16 lanes you are on have been walled up. I met a guy who used to be part of the maintenance team several years back. They *used* to lay out a different pattern for the 2 weeks or so when all the PBA member were in town to shot. Don't know how often they do that, but I know at times they do still do that at times.

Hope I didn't burst anyone's bubble. Get those stars out of your eyes. This is real life.

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Re: Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2004, 04:49:25 PM »
Actually, didn't BJ's write up an article about a Wisconsin team which won the ABC Nationals Team event both times when it was in Reno?  To find out that one of the teammates knew or actually did the lanes too?  I believe the team name was Amoco drilling?  or some gas company name...  The second place finisher to them one year also happened to be on the same pair with them...big coincidence huh?
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Re: Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2004, 05:50:52 PM »
Well, I don't know who's going to be bowling when I hit ABC, but I know that brackets at WIBC are going to be brutal. I'll be there the week that Queens entrants are bowling.
A friend of mine last year was 4th or 5th in singles, and lost over $200 in brackets...

I was really trying to bowl AFTER queens, so that wouldn't be the case, but I couldn't work out the timing.

Sigh.
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Re: Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2004, 05:59:07 PM »
If your worried about the brackets then don't put in. If you are lucky enough to bowl the sametime as a pro they can just as easy throw a 150 game just like the rest of us. When I was there last month one of the brackets I got into I lost the first game by 3 pins if I would have won that game I would have won that bracket. Just the luck of the draw is all it is. You can come out on fire and have a 299 and get beat you can have a 175 game and win. You just never know.
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Re: Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2004, 10:12:54 AM »
Rags

No, I don't know where Ronald was from, just noticed the name on the brackets when checking my results.  It was team event at 2:30 on 3/17 during convention week in case he volunteers for a local association and/or bowls with a group from one.  Of couse the way I bowled, I think the bartender might have had an advantage.
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Re: Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2004, 10:18:14 AM »
Charlest,
I was on that squad in Reno three years ago.  Holman shot something like 147 in game one and managed to come back for 583 or thereabouts.  The next day I made the mistake, not knowing how he did the night before, of approaching him at the Storm booth, where he was getting a ball drilled, and asking him how he had bowled.  He wasn't happy that I asked.  Once I protested my innocence, he was OK with it.

I don't know if you were on the same D/S squad as we were, but Marshall went up to the podium in the squad room before we bowled and announced "For those of you who haven't heard, I shot 147 last night."  I think he was getting tired of guys coming up to him and bugging him about it.
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Re: Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2004, 10:51:16 AM »
Back to Hose’s real question.

It is the national championship…. Not the national amateur championship.

I can make the same argument that I shouldn’t be bowling against Tim Mack or any of a hundred other “amateur” bowlers who have sponsors and bowl for a living.

You just have to go and enjoy the experience and let the chips fall were they may.
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Re: Should PBA Member be allowed to bowl ABC?
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2004, 10:29:39 PM »
Chris Johnson took over all-events today with a 2071.

CJ continues to amaze me with his skillz.  Congrats my friend.
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