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Rantings

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Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« on: September 13, 2003, 03:54:29 AM »
I've approached this before many moons ago and got some really different answers or maybe I am remembering wrong.

 My thought is most definitely. Reason: Make bowling more accessible to the average Joe or Joette bowler. Let me be blunt, I bet your association's officers can get the info by asking the owner or the guy running the oil machine because he or she is in the inner circle or if you are a better bowler or well-liked but to those who are not no info will be forthcoming. NO ONE should have any advantage over anyone else but I still believe it can and does happen. Not trying to start a conspiracy but see this as a problem that exists. Just ranting.
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Re: Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2003, 07:28:52 PM »
Speaking for myself , Just bring all your equipment for different condition and I forgot bring your skills to bowl . It doesn't matter to me .

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Re: Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2003, 07:28:59 PM »
Bones,

  It could confuse I agree but then again it could also educate or be used for educating the populace, which I believe you are not opposed to. Or are you currently a part or a past association member trying to throw us all off the issue?
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Re: Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2003, 08:02:00 PM »
I am inclined to agree with Bones. On the other hand, I also have to believe that while the center manager and the person who sets up the oil machine may have th ebest of intentions, far too often, the oil pattern they believe they are applying is not the one that gets laid out. Too many chances for some random someone to make a change or too many old machines which may or may not keep the original setting. Even the most dedicated manager and/or lane man has had a machine malfunction or be reset, without their knowledge. I can't tell you how many times I have asked a manager "when did you change the shot?" and gotten back a "we didn't." Then he asks me why I said that ...

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Re: Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2003, 08:09:42 PM »
I say no,

Half of bowling is figuring out what is out on the lane.
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Re: Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2003, 08:17:38 PM »
Rantings, I believe this would help the average joe bowler (and possibly others)begin to take their game to the next level.Probably half the league bowlers don 't understand oil patterns or how they can effect their game. Maybe this would spark interest to try harder to understand what is actually going on. Spark interest in different ball reactions and drillings to achieve those reactions. I used to bowl in NABI tournaments that would require you to use your highest league average for handicap purposes and then never put down a league shot. They used everything but a league shot(reverse blocks, chinese blocks,stripped lanes,etc.)and would keep the oil pattern they used for the tournaments a closely guarded secret. I know they were successful in driving myself and many other league bowlers away with this format. I no longer donate my $50.00 a week to their cause. My point was if your going to make me use my league average for handicap then give me a league shot or post the weird oil pattern you intend to use.

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Re: Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2003, 09:30:19 PM »
If the house wants to post it, let them, but make sure there is someone at the counter who can read and explain what the graphs mean.  The great majority of league bowers will have absolutely no clue what they mean.  More than likely it will confuse and frustrate them.  Besides, just because you know what the pattern is, doens't mean it will make any difference.

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Re: Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2003, 09:32:03 PM »
Bones,

  Exactly, lets do that! Post'em, educate the populace, and have a real sport or at least potentially one. And keep people like me from wondering if someone has an advantage from knowing what patterns are being laid out or when they change.

Eric,

  You sir are wrong only because I say so

Charlest,

  Sounds like you don't have the backbone to disagree with Sawbones.
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Re: Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2003, 09:44:46 PM »
I guess my question to you Rantings is why would you like the posted.
Hell you're a lefty how much easier do it have to be j/k

seriously though, the only advantages, in this aspect goto the guys that have learned how to read the lanes.

Besides you need more than just the lane condition ie. rather or not the house may have guardian in place, what type of lanes are they, etc.
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Re: Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2003, 10:35:38 PM »
I say it don't matter one way or the other. You are never going to learn a thing from it. You can put the exact same pattern down in 5 different centers and it will not play the same in any of them. Plus your perception of what the pattern is and the chart will hardly ever match.
If you don't belive me ask 10 people that bowled the Nationals in Knoxville what the the shot was like for them. You will get 10 different answers.

IF it is a big wall like in most centers you don't need no help anyway.
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Re: Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2003, 10:45:43 AM »
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If you don't belive me ask 10 people that bowled the Nationals in Knoxville what the the shot was like for them. You will get 10 different answers.


Agree to most extent Ron....but why did Mike Stranney and his team when he was the laneman at ABC Natl's always bowl so well?  Granted they are all good bowlers and he didn't do the lanes when he bowled, but having that knowledge and being there the whole tournament must have been some help.

BTW.....love Magic Carpets!

Most proprietors I know put out a shot they like and that they think will help most bowlers so they can keep their league bowlers happy.  It's in their best interest.

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Re: Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2003, 09:10:25 PM »
You could ask that question about any one of 25 teams that always do well. Like Team USA teams and they have no first hand knowledge of the patterns.

A good well trained team is a good well trained team. I don't matter much which oil pattern they are on.

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Re: Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2003, 09:38:30 PM »
Any decent bowler who rolls in a center regularly has an idea of the shot that is put out there. Like Ron said, the shot doesn't stay to diagram very long though. I mean, i bowl on synthetic lanes, as a result, heat, humidity, and even cold changes the lanes before a ball is ever rolled. The center i bowl in uses a 37 ft pattern buffed to 45. By the time my late block rolls around that means nothing. Yes i'm a lefty, but the lanes still change in those 2 plus hours. A bowler who can properly practice should know the pattern after the practice session without a paper.

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Re: Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2003, 10:21:40 PM »
Knowing in advance what the oil was like would have saved me from lugging 48 pounds of bowling balls that I didn't need into my Thursday nite house. All I needed was my plastic RED DOT. Averaging 232 with plastic in the year 2004.

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Re: Should the bowling center post the oil pattern?
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2003, 11:47:55 PM »
A couple points I would make on this, both for and against.

The first point is that if the center does not have sanction technology or several thousand dollars worth of Brunswick lane reading equipment, they can not do patterns to post, no matter what the rules. So, unless ABC wants to provide the the latest software to the centers (and they don't to local associations) they can not institute such rules.

I agree with the fact that knowing will do little good for most bowlers and even less after just a few frames. Trust me knowing has not helped me in regionals or in my center. The only advantage is that I used to know if a change was made or if it was just the weather. Many times guys swore the pattern was changed and I knew for a fact it had not changed in months.

Do I think it should be posted??  I think bowlers should know they are getting a legal condition and the basics of what it looks like. Do I think it will ever happen??? NO WAY!! Most associations do not even make centers oil a legal pattern, do you think they would make them post a pattern even if it was the rules? I am the house director and I have not seen the official inspection report in years, even if I ask. I suspect unless the director is on the inspection committee he or she never sees the official readings. It would make it too obvious if the center is cheating on inspections.