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Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« on: December 06, 2016, 01:44:30 PM »
Just opening a discussion.

There is a very good bowler in our area, who can really get the ball out there. Pretty amazing to see him eliminate the first 12-15 feet of lane.

I recall that there were pros that took this to an extreme a few years back in a tournament.

What do you think. Should there be a rule that the ball must be on the lane within a certain distance (4feet? 7 feet? 10 feet?)

You see signs in the Bowling Centers that state "No Lofting".  Curious what counts as loft in their opinion. When does usually someone get told to stop doing it?
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Re: Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2016, 01:51:28 PM »
If there was a rule there would need to be markers and foul sensors on the lanes but how they would catch it is beyond me.
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Re: Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2016, 02:00:46 PM »
If this was the case the US Open could not have been bowled this year.  They bowled on double burn and some guys were lofting the ball 20-25ft down lane over the gutter cap. 

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Re: Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2016, 02:19:03 PM »
the object of the game is to knock down as many pins as possible. whatever measurs need to be taken to complete the object are fair game. Don't hate someone, or try to limit someone who has the abilities to do something that you do not. I guess you think everyone should get a trophy too.
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Re: Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2016, 03:23:41 PM »
the object of the game is to knock down as many pins as possible. whatever measurs need to be taken to complete the object are fair game. Don't hate someone, or try to limit someone who has the abilities to do something that you do not. I guess you think everyone should get a trophy too.

#1-- No one has even taken a stance on this so far and you're already being rude and insulting.  That is uncalled for.

#2-- Pretty sure this is not a question of whether loft is a valid technique, but rather whether or not the extreme loft you see employed by the top guys (and people who emulate them) is too detrimental to the lane surface we all bowl on, and if so where is the line.  It's a wildly different discussion.

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Re: Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2016, 03:44:16 PM »
My short answer, no.

I guess the question would be as to the purpose of the ban.  Is protection of the lane the spirit of the rule?  I think we have to dive deep into the purpose of the rule.......I can't think of a good argument with the exception of protecting the lane surface.

I would say no right now, but if a logical argument for the ban is put forth I'll certainly vote for it.  I just don't think it exists.
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Re: Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2016, 04:07:29 PM »
No lofting is meant for open bowlers who want to damage things, not battle a tough lane condition. If you ban loft after a certain distance, who's going to govern that?

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Re: Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2016, 04:14:22 PM »
How would this "Air Foul" rule be enforced? Will centers have to install plexiglass panels hanging from the ceiling down to about 1 foot above the lanes? That'd be cool.


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Re: Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2016, 04:32:23 PM »
is my loft ok
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Re: Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2016, 05:25:50 PM »
The reason most proprietors tried to discourage a lot of loft goes back to the days of wood lanes. A hard wood of maple was used in the heads just past the arrows (about the 15 foot mark). At that point they used cheaper pine that was much softer. And the pindeck was maple or a synthetic material.

You could see the difference in the color and texture of the wood and the splices that lead into it.

If you lofted a ball onto the pine it would leave an indentation in the lane that could effect the roll of a ball. Lanes need to be resurfaced (sanded down) and new finish applied (Lacquer, Urethane, etc) every year or two.

Synthetics are much harder and are not as effected by loft as wood.

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Re: Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2016, 06:31:41 PM »
How would this "Air Foul" rule be enforced? Will centers have to install plexiglass panels hanging from the ceiling down to about 1 foot above the lanes? That'd be cool.



All lanes should be like the Pete.

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Re: Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2016, 06:44:32 PM »

All lanes should be like the Pete.

Or maybe it should be mandated that we all deliver it off of the kids/handicapped ramp.

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Re: Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2016, 06:56:50 PM »

All lanes should be like the Pete.

Or maybe it should be mandated that we all deliver it off of the kids/handicapped ramp.

Great. Then we'd all be 2 handed!!

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Re: Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2016, 09:21:32 PM »
I stumbled on this last week.  Big air...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b62T_8u-nMI

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Re: Should there be a limited distance for a loft?
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2016, 10:34:53 PM »
I have seen bowlers banned from centers due to their extreme loft and the damage they caused the lane.