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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: trash heap on December 06, 2016, 01:44:30 PM
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Just opening a discussion.
There is a very good bowler in our area, who can really get the ball out there. Pretty amazing to see him eliminate the first 12-15 feet of lane.
I recall that there were pros that took this to an extreme a few years back in a tournament.
What do you think. Should there be a rule that the ball must be on the lane within a certain distance (4feet? 7 feet? 10 feet?)
You see signs in the Bowling Centers that state "No Lofting". Curious what counts as loft in their opinion. When does usually someone get told to stop doing it?
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If there was a rule there would need to be markers and foul sensors on the lanes but how they would catch it is beyond me.
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If this was the case the US Open could not have been bowled this year. They bowled on double burn and some guys were lofting the ball 20-25ft down lane over the gutter cap.
Jeff S.
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the object of the game is to knock down as many pins as possible. whatever measurs need to be taken to complete the object are fair game. Don't hate someone, or try to limit someone who has the abilities to do something that you do not. I guess you think everyone should get a trophy too.
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the object of the game is to knock down as many pins as possible. whatever measurs need to be taken to complete the object are fair game. Don't hate someone, or try to limit someone who has the abilities to do something that you do not. I guess you think everyone should get a trophy too.
#1-- No one has even taken a stance on this so far and you're already being rude and insulting. That is uncalled for.
#2-- Pretty sure this is not a question of whether loft is a valid technique, but rather whether or not the extreme loft you see employed by the top guys (and people who emulate them) is too detrimental to the lane surface we all bowl on, and if so where is the line. It's a wildly different discussion.
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My short answer, no.
I guess the question would be as to the purpose of the ban. Is protection of the lane the spirit of the rule? I think we have to dive deep into the purpose of the rule.......I can't think of a good argument with the exception of protecting the lane surface.
I would say no right now, but if a logical argument for the ban is put forth I'll certainly vote for it. I just don't think it exists.
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No lofting is meant for open bowlers who want to damage things, not battle a tough lane condition. If you ban loft after a certain distance, who's going to govern that?
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How would this "Air Foul" rule be enforced? Will centers have to install plexiglass panels hanging from the ceiling down to about 1 foot above the lanes? That'd be cool.
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is my loft ok
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The reason most proprietors tried to discourage a lot of loft goes back to the days of wood lanes. A hard wood of maple was used in the heads just past the arrows (about the 15 foot mark). At that point they used cheaper pine that was much softer. And the pindeck was maple or a synthetic material.
You could see the difference in the color and texture of the wood and the splices that lead into it.
If you lofted a ball onto the pine it would leave an indentation in the lane that could effect the roll of a ball. Lanes need to be resurfaced (sanded down) and new finish applied (Lacquer, Urethane, etc) every year or two.
Synthetics are much harder and are not as effected by loft as wood.
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How would this "Air Foul" rule be enforced? Will centers have to install plexiglass panels hanging from the ceiling down to about 1 foot above the lanes? That'd be cool.
All lanes should be like the Pete.
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All lanes should be like the Pete.
Or maybe it should be mandated that we all deliver it off of the kids/handicapped ramp.
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All lanes should be like the Pete.
Or maybe it should be mandated that we all deliver it off of the kids/handicapped ramp.
Great. Then we'd all be 2 handed!!
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I stumbled on this last week. Big air...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b62T_8u-nMI
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I have seen bowlers banned from centers due to their extreme loft and the damage they caused the lane.
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I wouldn't blame proprietors for banning loft during open bowling and possibly even recreational leagues. Obviously, open bowlers are probably just doing it for fun, and I've never encountered a league pattern that truly requires that type of play. Now, when you get into the competitive arena, I think it should be allowed as needed.
I liken it to soft spikes versus metal in golf. I haven't seen a golf course that allows metal spikes in about 20 years, yet the pros are allowed to wear them during tournaments. The average duffer like me should wear soft spikes to protect the greens from damage. Pros should have the option. I see loft much the same. If their is nothing of significance on the line, no extreme lofting; save the lane surface. If we're in a high-stakes league or tournament, let them do it as long as it's being done to play the lanes, not out of frustration or for entertainment value.
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the object of the game is to knock down as many pins as possible. whatever measurs need to be taken to complete the object are fair game. Don't hate someone, or try to limit someone who has the abilities to do something that you do not. I guess you think everyone should get a trophy too.
The owners of the alleys should dictate what is right or wrong and within house rules. Why are you so defensive about trophy's? Why even go there?
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no there should not be, with new technology if the owner does not like it, get a better lane surface
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no there should not be, with new technology if the owner does not like it, get a better lane surface
1) There's a value to having different lane surfaces to bowl on.
2) The profit margin for a lot of centers is much thinner than what they spend on annual maintenance. In most places that money would be better used keeping the pinsetters working or the roof leak-free.
3) Telling a center to spend more money if they don't like the way YOU bowl on THEIR lanes is a pretty poor attitude. If I were a proprietor that kind of attitude would get you invited to bowl elsewhere, but not as politely.
As to the OP, I don't think the USBC would really have grounds to form a rule banning loft unless it was on the grounds of formalizing a generally universal house rule. It's certainly a valid skill to develop, although I do fear it's only going to get more exaggerated as time goes on.
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no there should not be, with new technology if the owner does not like it, get a better lane surface
Or just kick your ass out and problem solved.
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Put an invisible foul censor line at the middle marker that is halfway down the lane.
If you have to loft the ball passed that far down the lane, then get a ball for less oil :P