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michael.willis9

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Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« on: February 19, 2020, 06:47:57 PM »
I posted this on a big Facebook group but I’ll post it here. Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?

If it were me, I’d treat it as a foul. Bowl the second shot on your correct lane.
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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2020, 09:58:56 AM »
Quote from: northface28 on February 20, 2020, 07:02:00 AM
Quote from: notclay on February 19, 2020, 07:04:41 PM

I lean towards no penalty. Cheaters will find their ways to cheat, but they also have to look at themselves in the mirror everyday and decide if they like that person.

We will never be able to "legislate" honesty and integrity.



Exactly, look at the Houston Astros and New England Patriots.

Yeah not sure exactly when if you ain't cheating you ain't trying and fake it til you make it, ends justify means, etc, displaced a man is only as good as his word and integrity but it did.  True in virtually every aspect of life now and not a fan.  Sucks as a parent having to battle that message constantly. /off soapbox

(edit:  fine with rule as it currently is at the rec bowling level btw)
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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2020, 10:25:39 AM »
I would vote No it shouldn't be a penalty. Erase the score and go bowl on the proper lane. Yeah there will be times where people get to erase an ugly split but others where you wipe off a strike too. I have done this on accident a few times completely on accident as well as the accidental tossing the first ball in the tenth after the bowler ahead of me sat down instead of throwing his fill ball.  Oops. The biggest crime here is not paying attention.  If it was a problem that an individual did an amount that indicated it was intentional or involved a ball change that would essentially be a practice frame in the middle of competition than I absolutely agree with the assessment of a foul penalty or something worse. If it's not in the rule book league officers should rule on it and make it a league rule.
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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2020, 10:50:03 AM »
Actually "Here's your sign" was Bill Engvall's, not Jeff Foxworthy.

So...here's your sign

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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2020, 11:46:29 AM »
Quote from: notclay on February 20, 2020, 10:50:03 AM
Actually "Here's your sign" was Bill Engvall's, not Jeff Foxworthy.

So...here's your sign

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Thanks mrwizerd, I'm getting older and my memory is fading fast.  Any time I need to remember something perfectly I will reach out to you. 
By the way, wizerd is actually spelled wizard.





No problem...if you need anything else remembered let me know.  LOL

Also I know "Wizard" is spelled with an "A" but I wanted to put a slight twist on it.
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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2020, 11:56:01 AM »
Quote from: michael.willis9 on February 19, 2020, 07:16:21 PM
Quote from: notclay on February 19, 2020, 07:04:41 PM

I lean towards no penalty. Cheaters will find their ways to cheat, but they also have to look at themselves in the mirror everyday and decide if they like that person.

We will never be able to "legislate" honesty and integrity.

Definitely can’t legislate integrity. But we can say “here’s your gutter” when you failed to see your name on the screen 3 feet in front of your face

I'd love to see how this would pass muster with giving a penalty to a lot of youth bowlers under the age of 10 when they are eager to get on the lanes and accidentally bowl on the wrong lane..

Or someone who is legally blind (read: not completely blind) and can't see the screen above them as there isn't one down on the lanes to know which side they would need to be on.

I lean towards no, but a lot of people take their vision and where they are currently at in the game for granted with this proposal.

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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2020, 12:20:37 PM »
Until bowling comes up with a somewhat standardized scoring display, it probably will not happen.

As someone involved in creating software, why the hell are there so many different scoring systems anyway? Every bowling alley seems to have their own version.
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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2020, 01:15:48 PM »
Quote from: michael.willis9 on February 19, 2020, 06:47:57 PM
I posted this on a big Facebook group but I’ll post it here. Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?

If it were me, I’d treat it as a foul. Bowl the second shot on your correct lane.

Nope! Happens all the time for a variety of reasons! I just witnessed it happening to our league Treasurer, who was involved with solving a money issue with the envelopes!! She had held folks up while having to deal with the situation.....and then rushed onto the lanes to bowl, only to bowl on the wrong lane! it happens! NO!
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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2020, 02:07:23 PM »
Quote from: milorafferty on February 20, 2020, 12:20:37 PM
Until bowling comes up with a somewhat standardized scoring display, it probably will not happen.

As someone involved in creating software, why the hell are there so many different scoring systems anyway? Every bowling alley seems to have their own version.

Different companies, AMF, Qubica, Brunswick, USBowling, etc. with different software and user interfaces.  The systems are expensive, hard to upgrade, have different system requirements, etc. 

Trying to get the bowling industry to agree on a standard for automated scoring would be impossible.  It would be easier to convince bowling centers to go back to overhead projectors and manual scoring!
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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2020, 02:36:32 PM »
Quote from: Bowler19525 on February 20, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on February 20, 2020, 12:20:37 PM
Until bowling comes up with a somewhat standardized scoring display, it probably will not happen.

As someone involved in creating software, why the hell are there so many different scoring systems anyway? Every bowling alley seems to have their own version.

Different companies, AMF, Qubica, Brunswick, USBowling, etc. with different software and user interfaces.  The systems are expensive, hard to upgrade, have different system requirements, etc. 

Trying to get the bowling industry to agree on a standard for automated scoring would be impossible.  It would be easier to convince bowling centers to go back to overhead projectors and manual scoring!

My local area has mostly AMF systems and no two are alike.
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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2020, 03:15:39 PM »
I'm not in favor of penalizing this as, in 999 out of 1000 instances, it's an honest mistake and done with no nefarious intent. The only way I'd look into penalizing it is if it could somehow be shown that someone is deliberately doing this. Otherwise, mistakes happen, let it go, and bowl on the correct lane.
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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2020, 03:48:06 PM »
Perhaps the Walk of Atonement from Game of Thrones is in order?

"A sinner comes before you, Cersei of House Lannister Typical House Hack. He has committed the acts of falsehood and fornication bowling on the wrong lane or out of turn. He has confessed his sins, and begged for forgiveness. To demonstrate his repentance, he will cast aside all pride, all artifice, and present himself as the bowling gods made him... to you, the good people of this city. He comes before you with a solemn heart, shorn of secrets, naked before the eyes of gods and men, to make his walk of atonement."
―The High Sparrow to the people of King's Landing.
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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2020, 04:23:50 PM »
Quote from: Bowler19525 on February 20, 2020, 02:07:23 PM
Quote from: milorafferty on February 20, 2020, 12:20:37 PM
Until bowling comes up with a somewhat standardized scoring display, it probably will not happen.

As someone involved in creating software, why the hell are there so many different scoring systems anyway? Every bowling alley seems to have their own version.

Different companies, AMF, Qubica, Brunswick, USBowling, etc. with different software and user interfaces.  The systems are expensive, hard to upgrade, have different system requirements, etc. 

Trying to get the bowling industry to agree on a standard for automated scoring would be impossible.  It would be easier to convince bowling centers to go back to overhead projectors and manual scoring!
Now try having your center rip out the vintage Big B system and install an AMF one...in the middle of the season. No confusion there or anything!  :P
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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2020, 05:00:38 PM »
I do it all the time it’s a great way to get a practice shot in if you are not sure how a lane is transitioning. I especially love doing it in match play during a close match, sometimes my opponent gets upset but what the hell its within the rules and I have won many tournaments using this gamesmanship tactic.
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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2020, 05:34:51 PM »
One night, just before my job was outsourced, I bowled on the wrong lane twice in league. Clearly I had other priorities that night. Both times I went with my name instead of the arrow. Never ever once did I even consider anyone would think I was cheating. It's human, we've all done it. And then we get hacks that actually do it to cheat and think it's ok... Unreal. If you can't win honestly, cheating is considered fair. Wow.... Thankfully it's just a small percentage who had bad childhoods. Seriously, it's an honest mistake....
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Re: Should there be a penalty for bowling on the wrong lane?
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2020, 05:36:00 PM »
Quote from: Remmah on February 20, 2020, 05:00:38 PM
I do it all the time it’s a great way to get a practice shot in if you are not sure how a lane is transitioning. I especially love doing it in match play during a close match, sometimes my opponent gets upset but what the hell its within the rules and I have won many tournaments using this gamesmanship tactic.
Assuming you are actually doing this.

Since your doing on it purpose "all the time" that would be considered using improper tactics which mean your violating usbc rules.

Rule 17b. Improper Conduct
An individual can also be charged with the following violation(s):
1. Engaging in improper tactics or conduct in connection with the game of bowling including, but not limited to, physical and verbal abuse toward other persons.

Penalty: Membership may be suspended or denied to anyone who is involved in a violation of this rule. Leagues may also remove the individual following the provisions in Rule 115a or Rule 115c.

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