Author Topic: simple way to increase revs? (Read 11554 times)

Neptune66 · « **on:** May 13, 2009, 11:24:32 AM »

By simple, I mean no changes to ball drilling or surface, and no major changes to delivery. Interested, for instance, in whether I should hold the ball higher or lower, or changing wrist position, etc. And I don't use inserts.

Few weeks ago, I had my ball's drilling altered to a more comfortable fit. IS more comfortable and I am more accurate with it. But I have lost revs. And I didn't have that many to start with.

Happy with the drilling otherwise. Fits like a glove.

But would like to get some of the revs back if possible.

Aloarjr810 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 13, 2009, 08:36:55 PM »

Might try this article from BTM-

An Easier Method That Increases Your Rev Rate
Written by Joe Slowinski

In my April 2008 column in Bowling This Month, I discuss an easy-to-use method to increase your rev rate. To generate a higher rev rate, your hand must be in a strong position entering into the release. In the April Slowinski at-large, I show you how to achieve this strong position allowing you to bump-up your rev rate when you need to increase it.

Click here to read the article (722 kb)

Neptune66 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 14, 2009, 06:37:44 AM »

Thank you, Aloarjr810 !

No time to read the whole article at the moment, but saw the part about holding the ball so the ring finger [for right-hander] is at the 8'o'clock position and am intrigued. This is exactly the info I was hoping for. Whether I will successfully apply it may be another story.

:-)

And to Uptheboards... I have considered going back to inserts, but there are two reasons I haven't:

1) I use to drive myself and others nutz by constantly changing insert sizes and types, and don't really want to return to those days.

2) Even if I someday return to using inserts, still want to figure out how to increase revs without them.

dizzyfugu · « **Reply #3 on:** May 14, 2009, 07:13:39 AM »

You can cup the wrist, if you don't do it already, this adds some revs and by tendency increases axis rotation to achieve more back end.

Another thing to check is just timing - lots of revs come from a clean release, without extra effort. Maybe you grip the ball tighter with the new setup, and you miss your leverage point. That would explain why you have "lost" some revs.
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charlest · « **Reply #4 on:** May 14, 2009, 07:49:46 AM »

I'd have to say that 90% or higher of the people who have higher revs result from a clean thumb release, along with keeping your fingers and wrist behind the ball and your fingers under the ball, plus medium or higher ball speed.

You can't force effective revs. They must be the result of a clean release.
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J_w73 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 14, 2009, 09:13:09 AM »

quote:
By simple, I mean no changes to ball drilling or surface, and no major changes to delivery. Interested, for instance, in whether I should hold the ball higher or lower, or changing wrist position, etc. And I don't use inserts.

Few weeks ago, I had my ball's drilling altered to a more comfortable fit. IS more comfortable and I am more accurate with it. But I have lost revs. And I didn't have that many to start with.

Happy with the drilling otherwise. Fits like a glove.

But would like to get some of the revs back if possible.

interested in what you changed in your grip drill.. I changed mine to a shorter, more relaxed span.. feels better but I too feel I have lost the ability to turn it like I used to..
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Edited on 5/14/2009 9:13 AM

Nails · « **Reply #6 on:** May 14, 2009, 11:43:32 AM »

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I just went back to inserts hoping to increase a couple of revs.
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Inserts neither increase or decrease revs. Good timing and a quick release are the cure as Charlest suggested. If adding revs were quick and easy, there would be near as many fluffers around. A good coach and 2-3 lessons would be your best bet.
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Neptune66 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 14, 2009, 12:16:12 PM »

My drilling change was similar to what J_w73 described. Shortening/relaxing of the span. My previous span, though it felt normal to me, was so wide that I did not insert my fingers all the way to the first joint.

Also... the pitch of the thumb was changed slightly, but not certain of that. Other thing is, the thumbholes (on the new drilling) are just about perfect now, requiring only 1 or 0 pieces of tape in the summer, and 2 or 3 in the winter. BUT.... I might need a smidgen more beveling, and have resisted because in the past it's been extremely easy for the driller (any driller) to go from an excellent minor adjustment to too much bevel. With too much bevel, I tend to lose the ball or feel as if I'm going to, which causes me to squeeze and we all know that doesn't promote good bowling.

So... my release probably isn't as clean sometimes as it could be, and I may need to grit my teeth and see if I can get the thumhole's bevel increased just a tad. Am resisting, though, at least till the fall when my thumb will shrink somewhat.

J_w73 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 14, 2009, 12:29:10 PM »

I used to have a stretched span with alot of reverse..It felt fine at the time and didn't cause any pain.. I would keep making my span longer and longer as my span would not feel as stretched.... I was probably stretching my hand and promoting damage to the joints and bones..
I reduced my span by about 1/2 inch and went from 5/8 reverse to 3/8 reverse.. I tried to go more forward but I just couldn't get out of the ball cleanly..
I like the relaxed grip but I feel I can't get out of the ball as clean or as fast..I'm thinking of trying an "offset" thumb..or maybe going with more reverse .. the 3/8 is right on spec for my span but my thumb is rather long so maybe I need more room to get out of the ball
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Edited on 5/14/2009 12:36 PM

tst4eko · « **Reply #9 on:** May 14, 2009, 03:26:21 PM »

My youth coach back in the day (about 17 years ago) gave me a great tip to increase revs. It might be old school, but it works for me every time.

As you put your fingers into the ball, tuck in your pinky finger (so that the nail of the finger is against the ball) before putting in your thumb. This allows the ball to come off your hand a tad faster at release, thus resulting in more revs. Everything else stays the same. This trick won't massively increase revs, but you'll notice a slight difference.

Now if you already do this and are still wanting to increase revs without making major changes, a cupped wrist is all I can think of. That might change your delivery a bit, so best of luck to ya.

Jorge300 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 14, 2009, 03:53:23 PM »

TST4eko beat me to it, I was going to suggest tucking the picky also. But as someone who picked this up about 1/3 of the way into my bowling career, let me offer some advice. I have gone to wearing one of the Ebonite gloves now, but take out the metal "guide". My pinky had started to develop a pronounce bump/callous on it, but since switching to the glove about 3-4 years ago, it has disappeared.
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tst4eko · « **Reply #11 on:** May 14, 2009, 04:00:18 PM »

Jorge also makes a good point. Any of the gloves with the tacky surface (with or without metal guides) will also increase revs. The only major change might be in feel, as opposed to just tucking in the pinky finger.

Edited on 5/14/2009 4:00 PM

Juggernaut · « **Reply #12 on:** May 14, 2009, 04:05:17 PM »

I don't know what your current thumb pitch is, but due to arthritis, I had to add 1/4 reverse to mine.

Oddly, this had the side effect of making it FAR easier to exit the thumbhole, and caused me to "cup" the ball during the approach and release, adding revs to my "natural" release.

For me, it wasn't something that I had to learn or work on, it just happened naturally as a side effect of the added reverse pithch in the thumb and my bodies attempt to compensate.
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J_w73 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 14, 2009, 04:18:17 PM »

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I don't know what your current thumb pitch is, but due to arthritis, I had to add 1/4 reverse to mine.

Oddly, this had the side effect of making it FAR easier to exit the thumbhole, and caused me to "cup" the ball during the approach and release, adding revs to my "natural" release.

For me, it wasn't something that I had to learn or work on, it just happened naturally as a side effect of the added reverse pithch in the thumb and my bodies attempt to compensate.
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Did the added reverse cause you to have to squeeze to keep the ball on..??

I guess the cupping of the wrist might have been a natural side effect to help keep the ball on.
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Neptune66 · « **Reply #14 on:** May 14, 2009, 06:22:44 PM »

I have to try the tucked pinky. I think I have dabbled in it on occasion, but not recently (not with the new drilling) and not for an extended enough period to evaluate results.

And the cupping conversation is interesting. Someone suggested a couple days ago that I try cupping the ball, and I did... a little...but with the new drilling, it seems to cause me to be a little more erratic and even have some trouble releasing the ball. I don't remember that trouble with the old drilling. My thumb hole may not be bevelled enough.

Is there a "rule of thumb" (pun not intended, but left in on purpose) for determining proper bevel? Or is it strictly personal preference?

Edited on 5/14/2009 6:23 PM

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