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vanni9283

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Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« on: August 29, 2007, 05:19:30 PM »
Hey folks,

I wanna let you all know that this is my first post on this forum, so I hope you all give me a nice warm welcome.

Anyway, I'm currently considering purchasing a skid/flip style bowling ball for use on a heavier house shot with squirty backends.  I would describe my game to be modeled after that of Marshall Holman (medium ball speed, higher revolutions; I guess you can say I'm a tweener who has power-player characteristics), and my average is around 200 right now.  I am currently throwing a Storm Eraser, but it doesn't seem to be handling the squirty backends real well.  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in advance.

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Re: Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2007, 01:45:47 AM »
squirty backend reduces the ball hook (at the backend) .. it is highly unlikely you will find any ball that gives you skid-snap in heavy oil condition.  Most (if not all) balls on heavy oil will vary from small arc to (maybe) heavy arc

what you might want to consider is getting a ball that is designed for heavy oil.  Also, you might want to think about having the ball to roll early so that the "squirty backend" doesn't have as much effect on the ball.

that's my opinion
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Re: Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2007, 02:19:47 AM »
I wanna clarify, when I said heavier house shot, I don't mean it's heavy-heavy.  I meant there's more oil that what I was used to bowling on.  The bowling center that I bowl at uses a new oil machine that has put out a  condtion/oil pattern which forces me to play straighter than I have in the past (I was opening up the lane quite a bit up until now).  (Also, the squirty backends are a product of this new oil machine).  So I just wanna make myself clear.

Anyway, I don't know if a dull, heavy oil ball would be the best option for me.  I think such a ball would be too strong for my game and for our center.  What I think I'm looking for is something that is more aggressive on the backend than my Eraser; something that will make that hard jerk on the backend when my Eraser isn't doing so.  Does that help?
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Re: Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2007, 04:58:45 AM »
it is really hard to know how heavy the oil you are talking about .. as what's heavy for you could be considered meduim or meduim-heavy to other

if you wanna use storm, you might wanna look at the AGENT-line or the PARADIGM-line

skid/snap is usually produced by meduim or meduim-heavy condition balls .. as they need to save the energy till they get close to the pin .. if the backend is not clean (dry) or the outside boards are not dry enough .. these balls will give you an arc only ..

I believe your best choice is to go for a ball that is stronger than the one you have now.  prolly if the house has a proshop, he can watch you and suggest a ball or 2 based on your style and the ball reaction
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Re: Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2007, 06:44:36 AM »
if you want a big backend, check out the Track Kinetic

http://www.videoballreviews.com/track.html

you can see the video there
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vanni9283

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Re: Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2007, 07:05:38 AM »
Well, it was a coach over at my bowling center who suggested to me that a skid/snap ball would be the best way for me to go, and he suggested a few to me last week that might work well for me.  We don't have a pro shop at our center though, but there's a really good pro shop at a center not too far away from me.  I might go pay a visit.
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Re: Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2007, 08:12:11 AM »
If a skid flip/snap reaction is really what your are after, I would suggest either a Fired Up if you are on medium conditions, or a Domination if you are on heavier conditions.  Both of those will be considerably stronger than your Eraser.  With that said, I tend to agree with GTX, squirty backends, to me,  would suggest a ball that will get into an earlier roll.  Maybe consider a T-Road Solid, this is a pretty strong ball that really digs in on the backends and still gets through the front pretty clean.  The pro shop should be able to set you up with ball that matches your style and gives you the reaction you are looking for.  Without knowing your style any suggestions here are just generalizations.
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Re: Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2007, 08:31:28 AM »
Find a particle pearl, move all the way right, shoot it up 5 with speed.
Mission Accomplished, house shots arent too complicated.
Find the dry area and go.
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Re: Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2007, 08:40:09 AM »
quote:
Find a particle pearl, move all the way right, shoot it up 5 with speed.
Mission Accomplished, house shots arent too complicated.
Find the dry area and go.
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Not everyone can throw the limpwrister up 5 and succeed like you Mav.  

Vanni, I'd look into getting a particle pearl if you are having issues with squirty backends.  If you still want a fairly angular backend, check out the Storm Shift or the Rotogrip Mystic.  Both make pretty strong moves in the backend with proper drills and surface preps.  The particle surface will help get through the carrydown while still retaining energy due to the pearlization in the cover.
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Re: Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2007, 08:41:00 AM »
If skid-snap is what you are after...but with squirty backends...consider balls that have a large amount of backend board coverage, with increased torque at the breakpoint:

Storm Paradigm Domination
Storm Shift

900 Global The Break, possibly with polish to get down the lane a bit further and reduce the total hook.

Legends/Lanemasters Sting

Track Kinetic

Roto Grip Epic Saga
...that one ball Roto is supposed to be coming out with...supposedly their "first-ever true skid-snap"...(as reported in the Roto forum, rumors, rumors...)

Pick one, they are all stronger than an Eraser.

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MegaMav

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Re: Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2007, 09:05:40 AM »
quote:

Not everyone can throw the limpwrister up 5 and succeed like you Mav.  


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Re: Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2007, 10:47:32 AM »
The question posed was what ball would be good for skid/flip on a heavy condition with squirty backends.  Let's examine what is required for this to happen....

Skid happens when the level of oil is high enough for the ball to not make friction

Flip is when the ball quickly transitions to wet to dry and is able to create a large amount of friction quickly.

With the condition you are describing there is no ball that is going to flip on squirty backends.  You're lacking one of the two elements required for it to happen.

Whenever you have this condition straighter is greater until a hook spot develops...then you can move in and have your transition from wet to dry.
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Re: Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« Reply #12 on: August 30, 2007, 11:31:37 AM »
It sounds like a solid reactive or hybrid reactive with an asymmetrical core may be helpful.  I like the Blast Zone and believe that the Red Zone at about 2000-4000 abralon may work, too.

Russell is right in that it's more difficult to find a skid/snap ball that won't "skate" if it hits carry-down.  Another option that's been mentioned are the low-load pearl particles like the Sidewinder and Mystic.  Both finish quite strong, and the particle load should help with the ugly back ends.


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LowRG

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Re: Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« Reply #13 on: August 30, 2007, 11:52:35 AM »
Legends Black Pearl!

This is the perfect choice.
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Fluff E Bunnie

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Re: Skid/Flip ball for squirty backends
« Reply #14 on: August 30, 2007, 12:42:10 PM »
Whenever I am having problems with the backends, I use the Mystic because it smooths it out for me.

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