Author Topic: Sliding soles (Read 17601 times)

tdub36tjt · « **on:** March 07, 2012, 12:49:44 PM »

I have been having an issue sliding lately and can't find the solution. I generally use a dexter s10 silde. However, when the s10 slides too much I am having trouble with the s8 not sliding at all. I never had that issue with the old s8 but since they changed it I can't find anything in between the s8 and s10 which for me is a huge gap. Is there another pad I should try that might fit. Whether from Etonic or 3G or whatever just need to find something in between.....

spmcgivern · « **Reply #1 on:** March 07, 2012, 01:43:41 PM »

This seems to be a new sole? I have always taken my new shoes and "worked" in the soles, each one. I will put on a sole and just slide around the approach without throwing the ball until it becomes consistent. New soles never work as they are expected. I would expect a worn in S8 would be better than a new S8.

I currently use ABS shoes (predecessor to the 3G) and if I had to use a different sole for a reason, I would probably fall on my face if not for working in the soles.

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Edited by spmcgivern on 3/7/2012 at 12:44 PM

JONES_E828 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 07, 2012, 02:08:42 PM »

you sound like a canidate for dexter's new S9 sole.

http://www.bowlingball.com/products/bowling-accessories/Dexter/10119/SST-Sawtooth--S9--Sole.html

trash heap · « **Reply #3 on:** March 07, 2012, 02:34:34 PM »

It's expensive but this is what I did. I bought 10 and 8 soles, then cut them into thirds.

My set up right now is 8 at the toes, 10 in the middle, and an old 8 on the back. One issue I have with dexter soles is they are not the same thickness (8 is a little thicker than the ten). So placed an old worn out 8 on the back and that gave me the correct slide. Any other combination I was all over the place or sticking too much.

I heard that others having success by cutting them diagonally. Unfortunately it can take some experimenting and the soles are not that cheap.

If I had the money to experiment and buy more soles, I would like to try various sizes of cuts. Example I would like to make the middle piece a little bigger and the toe piece a little smaller just to see if it would make a difference.

tdub36tjt · « **Reply #4 on:** March 07, 2012, 02:41:03 PM »

I have a worn in 8 and a new one, neither one is any different.....I didn't know they came out with a S9. Will definitely be ordering one of those Monday if they have them at the distributer. Thanks.

trash heap · « **Reply #5 on:** March 07, 2012, 03:30:45 PM »

Just to clarify I was referring to the old S8 Yellow Leather sole as what I used on the back.

That S9 looks interesting.

Smash49 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 07, 2012, 07:35:43 PM »

This is exactly why we came out with the Premier II line of our products.

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EL · « **Reply #7 on:** March 07, 2012, 08:44:50 PM »

I would definitely try the Bowlers Slide Sock. I was in the same situation where 10 was too much and 8 was not enough on a very sticky approach. And buying these soles are not cheap. Brought and tried the slide sock and had no problems since. Can be used on wood approaches with no problems at all. Like it so much just ordered another one for my other pair of bowling shoes.

Smash49 wrote on 3/7/2012 6:35 PM:
This is exactly why we came out with the Premier II line of our products.

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RyboFlavin · « **Reply #8 on:** March 07, 2012, 09:54:53 PM »

I had this exact problem and played around with cutting up S8 and S10 soles as suggested, but I couldn't find anything consistent. Then someone showed me that 3G makes yellow leather replacement soles, sold in a rectangular sheet which you cut to the shape of your Dexter shoe. This worked perfectly for me.

Take this with a grain of salt, but I heard that the reason Dexter stopped producing the yellow leather was to save costs, due to the fact that sheets of leather have a "grain". This grain makes it so that the soles can only be cut out in one direction, thus leaving scrap material. Since microfiber can be cut in any direction, they are able to get more soles per sheet and thus it's more cost effective.

Edited by RyboFlavin on 3/7/2012 at 8:58 PM

Smash49 · « **Reply #9 on:** March 07, 2012, 10:19:26 PM »

Cost is a big thing. We use a laser to cut the parts for the Bowlers Slide Sock. The pattern used leaves strips of materials as waste. We take the strips and turn them into other parts that make up the Premier 2 product. It all saves money that we can pass on to the customer. Everyone likes to save money. Our North American distributor likes the fact we didn't have a price increase for a long time and production time decreased. But.... the functionality of the product has to remain the same or better. It's hard in these economic times.

Years ago we were asked by Dexter reps why we make the Premier 2 line of products and the answer is " Dexter's customers asked us for it".

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dizzyfugu · « **Reply #10 on:** March 08, 2012, 03:52:52 AM »

What you can try (and what actually works) is using an S10 sole and punching small holes into it. This increases friction slightly - Dexter did this with the former S7 sole, which was actually a perforated S8. For me, it does the trick you mention, and I'd expect it to work with an S10 felt sole, too. There are punching irons available in DIY markets, or just ask at a shoe repair shop for the little task.

I did a similar trick with an old H5 heel (red leather), when a normal (fresh) H5 heel would not be enough and the next best rubber heels were definitively too much.

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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #11 on:** March 08, 2012, 10:03:45 AM »

It is true it is true.

The new #10 felt seems very very slick. The new replacement microfiber #8 seems much tackier than the old chrome leather #8.

I always was in search for approximately a #9 just like they have come out with....so what I used to do was brush my #10s very vigorously sideways with my metal brush and my chrome leather #8 with the slide to make them very close.

Many others have created the combo of 10 and 8 diagonally since the new sticky #8. Dizzy has accurately portrayed a method of slowing down the slide by putting in punch holes in one of the slipperier sliders as dexter did to make the 8 turn into a 7. (I have one and occasionally like, note the old 7 slipperier than today's new microfiber 8!).

Oh regarding the new 10....I have metal brushed sideways and metal brushed it sideways and I cannot make it like my old #10 it just slips TOO far. My solution was I was in the process of attempting to apply the new loop portion of the velcro in strips which I purchased at Walmart to my old #10 which acted like I perceived a 9.5 would be.

I look forward to trying Dexter's new #9 which I view as a solution to the problem they created by widening the gap between their #10(it feels like an 11) and their new 8 which feels to me like about a 6.75!

One little note,,,,I use these various sliders for more hook(lower numbers or less hook higher numbers) occasionally to great effect!

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tdub36tjt · « **Reply #12 on:** September 28, 2012, 10:52:53 AM »

I know this post is old. Just wanted to post this as I had a chance to talk with a Dexter rep at the shop a while back. I asked him why the new 8's were so much less slide than the old 8's. He preceeded to tell me that they feel the slide is the same and the reason they switched to microfiber is they felt the amount of slide with the leather sole would change as the slide got more and more use whereas the microfiber stays close to the same throughout the entire life of the pad.....

I think it is sad that he honestly tried to tell me that the old and new 8's slide close to the same. Even if they sold the old 8's (call it 8.5...) at a higher cost I would rather at least have it as an option...Still haven't tried the #9 yet. He advised me to try it but I have been getting by in the 2 houses I bowl in with the #10. If I start bowling in more tournaments again I will try the 9. I also think I might try the 3G leather.....

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #13 on:** October 03, 2012, 08:18:22 AM »

Hmm,

Well I don't know if they have tweaked the new MicroFiber 8 from when it first came out.

BUT, I finally decided to break down and try the #8. My pro shop had a brand new order! I put it against my old style #7 that I have had for years (losing it's velcro tack unfortunately). Surprisingly it was perfect. Just a little more slide. SO....I don't know. I have also purchased The old Dynorooz leather (real leather) not the dexter yellowish number 8 which I can't find. It does not slide as well as this recently produced #8(the packaging looks new and upgraded).

I am intrigued with the new #9 but I find the new #10 way too slippery and I can not tame it down with my brush.....hmmmm?

REgards,

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Djarum · « **Reply #14 on:** October 03, 2012, 03:10:35 PM »

This might explain some of my sliding issues. I always used S8 sole and red leather heels at my house, which is pretty sticky. I noticed less slide on the new S8 and red leather heels. The s8 used to be leather but now its more of a micro fiber. The red leather heel also looks different now. Much more fiberous than it used to be(even sheds). I have an S10 but found it to slick.