Author Topic: Slingshot v Tropical Breeze (Read 7223 times)

Cyril The Syrup · « **on:** March 31, 2012, 05:07:44 AM »

Hoping someone who has thrown both can compare for me? Needing a very weak reactive and after some research came down to these. Which is the stronger? Is there a difference in the Tropical Breeze solid and pearl?

charlest · « **Reply #1 on:** March 31, 2012, 09:46:33 AM »

For me, the Tropical Breeze is almost a full half step strong than the Slingshot, mainly due to the Reactor coverstock and the backend it creates. I find the Slingshot more even reacting and less hooking overall. I can play further outside with the SS with less fear of its starting up too early.. That said, the difference is not dramatic plus, the more ball speed you have the less difference you will see. The Tropical Breeze pearl will have more backend, due to the Reactor cover stock. Both need to see a lot more dry than any other resin ball except maybe the Motiv Silver RX-1 which is in their class.

The Tropical Breeze also comes in a solid which will make a bigger difference between it and a Slingshot which only comes in pearl.

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Dave81644 · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2012, 11:52:22 AM »

my .02 worth

I find that the cyclone is better than both of the above mentioned

much more even rolling and the carry is better

same price point as well

Cyril The Syrup · « **Reply #3 on:** March 31, 2012, 04:53:23 PM »

Dave: How would you say the Cyclone compares in overall strength than SS and TB?

Dave81644 · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2012, 06:33:34 PM »

For me the ss was way to angular

TB was to over/under

I like the cyclone because it is more predictable

You certainly could drive it strong if you wanted

I know that doesn't directly answer your question, but todays game is more about control than overall strength in my opinion.

What other equipment do you have?

Cyril The Syrup · « **Reply #5 on:** March 31, 2012, 07:22:51 PM »

My question about the strength of these pieces is because I need a ball that is weak and wont over react too much when encountering friction.I bowl in a dry house...not a desert ....and the best look for me is when I can throw a weak reactive around 7/8 board and be smoothn off the spot.

I have a Motiv silver Recon which is too strong and an old Power Groove Dry/R which is almost dead.

charlest · « **Reply #6 on:** March 31, 2012, 09:06:11 PM »

Cyril,

The Cyclone is a much stronger ball than either the Slingshot or the Trop. Breeze. The Cyclone handles true medium oil for most people, Handling medium-light it you drill it very weak or have very few revs or very high ball speed. The SS and the TB are two of the weakest resin balls made, along with the Silver RX-1, which if you have, you don't need the SS or the TB.

Remember also, and I think this is the case with Dave's experience, a house blended oil pattern can hid e the difference between balls very easily. I've seen people using a Storm Nano on a house pattern while others use an Avalanche Urethane when they have very few more revs than the the first person. So while if you're facing a lot of dry an you have enough ball speed, it is possible to get a controlled burn in the midlane, enough to control the normally very strong backend of the Cyclone.

If you're Silver Recon is too much, then don't even think about an SS or Tropical Go straight for a urethane, be it the Avalanche or the Blue Hammer or an Ogre Urethane. Some may need to be polished up (Hammer or Storm Natural) to make them handle the very light oil you are seeing. Just don't forget that you can't get very deep with a urethane but you can do so with some of the resins, like the potentially flippy Tropical Breeze pearl.

Cyril The Syrup wrote on 3/31/2012 5:22 PM:My question about the strength of these pieces is because I need a ball that is weak and wont over react too much when encountering friction.I bowl in a dry house...not a desert ....and the best look for me is when I can throw a weak reactive around 7/8 board and be smoothn off the spot.

I have a Motiv silver Recon which is too strong and an old Power Groove Dry/R which is almost dead.

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Edited by charlest on 3/31/2012 at 7:23 PM

Cyril The Syrup · « **Reply #7 on:** March 31, 2012, 09:31:16 PM »

Thanks charlest...hadnt really thought about eurethane balls much. In terms of reaction, Im thinking there wouldnt be much difference between the current eurethane balls?

charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** March 31, 2012, 09:56:20 PM »

Urethane balls can vary to some degree, but not as drastically as with resins.

It does make a difference what ball you chose PLUS the type and design of the core. Some can be easily changed with their surface and some can be easily changed with their drilling (especially the Seismic Desperado which used an asymmetric core.) Some are very hard to change their surface and some are easier.

Storm Naturals, AMF Hype and Blue Hammer hook much more than the Ogre Urethane and the Avalanche Urethane. The Desperado shined up very easily. The AMF took me weeks to smoother out (that is, WEEKS of working it; it never took a shine. The Avalanche is at max shine now, but is easily sanded. The Blue Hammer can be more easily shined than the Natural, which is easier to sand. The Ogre Urethane is mostly at max shine now. My Desperado hits almost as hard as any resin I own, much harder than any other urethane I've ever owned, but it is the original which is no longer available. The current Desperado LE is closer to the Natural but still has an asymmetric core and is earlier than the original with more urethane in the blend, while the original was a pearl with silicone added for more length.

Most current urethanes, except the Avalanche and the Ogre are, as far as I know, urethane/resin blends with different amounts of resin in them (the exact amount undisclosed by the manufacturer).

Both the Ogre and the Avalanche come highly polished. With its high pin, I actually get some backend out of my Avalanche, but the desperado hits much harder.

Oh, they are very different balls.

Cyril The Syrup wrote on 3/31/2012 7:31 PM:Thanks charlest...hadnt really thought about eurethane balls much. In terms of reaction, Im thinking there wouldnt be much difference between the current eurethane balls?

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Dave81644 · « **Reply #9 on:** April 01, 2012, 01:11:14 AM »

Actually, the ball for me under the cyclone is the original "JET"

very weak and smooth. You may want to look into it, the key, being weak and predictable.

I also have went to 5" or longer pin-pap as well which tames the ball down a bit to.

I have been using the cyclone on THS and migrated away from the track area as the oil line is defined right at the 10 board. to wet/dry there for me most nights

I am 15- 10 or 17-10 with it and its very even and predictable.

Now, I can overcome some of the ball strength with speed and hand position.

You may want to try a different part of the lane as well.

I did not know the Motiv silver was pretty strong for you.

Also, you can try polish and a product called "delayed reaction"

that will add to the skid, but may add to the reaction off the spot as well.

I have had limited success with my urethane equipment, my THS is death if you miss outside to soon and it seems the characteristics of the urethanes today is earlier roll, bad combination for my situation.

Charlest is a wise and insightful person from what I have read of his posts, so his advice is solid

DeadWood Pro Shop · « **Reply #10 on:** April 01, 2012, 04:10:25 AM »

For me, the slingshot is the weakest reactive ball on the market bar none. Lower than that would be the taboo spare in my bag. Hope this helps.

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charlest · « **Reply #11 on:** April 01, 2012, 10:56:47 AM »

Thank you, Dave. That is very kind of you to say that.

I also tried the Jet. I found it a step above the Slingshot and the Breeze. It is super smooth and I find it a good ball too. I can see it being a proper step below the Cyclone.

Delayed Reaction can be used on balls stronger than you need to help avoid making another purchase.. It reduces hook and backend and can allow you to play much straighter. Good suggestion.

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dougb · « **Reply #12 on:** April 02, 2012, 12:41:47 AM »

How does the Ebonite polish compare to Valentino's UFO?

charlest wrote on 4/1/2012 8:56 AM:Thank you, Dave. That is very kind of you to say that.

I also tried the Jet. I found it a step above the Slingshot and the Breeze. It is super smooth and I find it a good ball too. I can see it being a proper step below the Cyclone.

Delayed Reaction can be used on balls stronger than you need to help avoid making another purchase.. It reduces hook and backend and can allow you to play much straighter. Good suggestion.

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charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** April 02, 2012, 01:57:44 AM »

I find the Powerhouse to be very similar to Lanemasters Factory Finish, not highly abrasive, and applies a nice polish easily, and in steps (meaning you can use a little for a light polish or more for a heavier, brighter gloss and more length). Both are a close 2nd to Valentino's Snake Oil.

UFO is completely different from these polishes. It contains an organic slip agent that adds length, but reduces overall hook and reduces backend. It is in the class with Delayed Reaction and Control-It but is easier to remove than those.

dougb wrote on 4/1/2012 10:41 PM:How does the Ebonite polish compare to Valentino's UFO?

charlest wrote on 4/1/2012 8:56 AM:Thank you, Dave. That is very kind of you to say that.

I also tried the Jet. I found it a step above the Slingshot and the Breeze. It is super smooth and I find it a good ball too. I can see it being a proper step below the Cyclone.

Delayed Reaction can be used on balls stronger than you need to help avoid making another purchase.. It reduces hook and backend and can allow you to play much straighter. Good suggestion.

"None are so blind as those who will not see."
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r534me · « **Reply #14 on:** April 02, 2012, 05:59:55 AM »

How does the slingshot compare to the tropical storm? They don't make them anymore but since I use one I thought I would ask. BTM rated it 39 in their reviews.

DeadWood Pro Shop wrote on 4/1/2012 2:10 AM: For me, the slingshot is the weakest reactive ball on the market bar none. Lower than that would be the taboo spare in my bag. Hope this helps.

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9307 Boone Road
Houston, TX 77099
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