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Big Jake

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can a stroker...
« on: May 25, 2006, 10:08:45 AM »
Hey Group,
 Can a stroker play the real deep deep shot, like a right-handed stroker standing
far left where he ends up with his slide/plant foot right next to the left channel ?

if so how would the ball be drilled and what would ball would fit that particular shot?
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Re: can a stroker...
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2006, 06:32:11 PM »
You could, but it depends on how much you put on the ball (revolutions).  If you are a true stroker, you most likely throw it with less speed right? So if that's the case, get a ball with a dull surface, and drill it a little strong, maybe with the pin under ring finger, and CG out to the right.  If there is a lot of oil, you could do all of these things and succeed.  A good ball might be THE ONE, or maybe an inferno (Ultimate or Scorchin with a little polish).

The best thing you can do is talk to a local proshop opperator. That will be the best thing to help you get a ball.

But the answer to the original question is: Yes, you can play the deep inside line.
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Re: can a stroker...
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2006, 06:37:28 PM »
Yes, we've seen it a few times on TV, but not recently.  The TV shows have seemed to favor pretty direct lines this year (TJ not withstanding).  It's usually not the big hook 30-at-the-arrows-to-3-at-the-break like the crankers do, but more of a real tight line, maybe only out to the 14th or 15th board (the pocket is at 17).

Voss played left of 20 at the US Open two years ago (when PDW won and Osku was on).  Mika and WRW both played way left at the US Open that Barnes won.  I've seen old clips of Duke (from the 80s, I think) doing a similar thing.  For that matter, I've seen Duke playing the big hook, and there was a segment about him doing that against Robert Smith while Smith was playing the second and third arrows (talk about role-reversal).  Randy Pedersen did a similar thing when he was on the ToC show last year and the year before.  Ryan Shafer was lofting the gutter when he won the Empire State Classic back in '03-04.

Heck, one of my teammates can bowl anywhere from the first to the fifth arrows.  We don't usually have occasion to loft the guttercap since there aren't many guys who play on that part of the lane to break it down.

As for balls and drilling, I'd say something real controllable and smooth for playing the tight inside line.  Since you're not getting the ball out too far, it doesn't need a big backend, just early roll.  If you want to play the big hook version, you'll probably have to slow your speed down considerably or increase your axis tilt to make up for having less hand and to get the ball to push and turn the corner properly.  I'd be afraid to try it unless I found that using weaker equipment and staying right wasn't working.

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Re: can a stroker...
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2006, 06:58:38 PM »
Jake, I'm not sure where to start here.

First guy says use a dull ball, then recommends the One...WTF?
All the Ones I've seen have been purdy darn shiny!

Second recommendation is getting the ball into an early roll...WTF?
When you have your slide foot in the gutter, and the ball is going to the right across the center of the lane...you better hope it is skidding and not rolling. If it's rolling, it aint gonna make it back!

As a stroker, I can tell you that yes, you can get inside, but only when the crankers are screaming for oil and having a hard time keeping the ball to the right of the headpin. Still, you will need a polished ball to get the length and a decent flip to make the turn. I ran into this scenario at the Ohio Inter-City tourney. It took me a few games to get that far inside, but once I did get that far inside, I found that there was not much room for error. Slow down, and it's going Brooklyn. Forget to get your fingers in it (or hang in the thumb a little), and you are getting a flat ten or a 5-7. I was throwing the Lane #1 Cobalt (drilled 5x5 stacked...it worked good here, but touchy everywhere else). Grabbing a weaker ball and going up the track proved much more successful. I was able to throw the Lane #1 bullet the rest of the shift (6 games) and was one of only a few to be happy it was dry!

I have also found that on our shorter sport shot patterns, if the line goes inside, I can play a Pearl Uranium (drilled Label 1:30) across the middle. It gives just enough push and makes the turn nicely, but it is also easy to get fast and blow through the breakpoint.

In closing:
Use your strentghs to your advantage. Do not try to play someone elses game. If YOUR line goes inside, go with it. Just because someone else is hooking the lane and impressing the ladies does not mean you cannot score just as well in your comfort zone.
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Re: can a stroker...
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2006, 08:55:02 PM »
quote:

In closing:
Use your strentghs to your advantage. Do not try to play someone elses game. If YOUR line goes inside, go with it. Just because someone else is hooking the lane and impressing the ladies does not mean you cannot score just as well in your comfort zone.


Agreed.  It's cool to experiment of course, but I don't think that it would be necessary to play that kind of line with that kind of release.
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Re: can a stroker...
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2006, 03:10:58 AM »
I would say yes, depending on some factors: oil pattern, backend "strenght", ball layout. Axis and rotation also plays a factor in taking out the ten (of course)
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Re: can a stroker...
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2006, 09:06:19 AM »
It depends on your definition of stroker.  My definition of a stroker would be down and in type guys with lower or medium ball speed.  And I've never seen one of those type of guys play a shot where his foot ends up by the left channel.  It might be possible, but I can't think of a condition that would warrant it.

Your best bet would be to change that stroker to a tweener, and even then most tweeners don't play that far left.

Edited on 5/26/2006 9:05 AM

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Re: can a stroker...
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2006, 11:03:19 AM »
I can play deep inside and extreme outside either one.  I am more of a power stroker and can generate high ball speed or slow down.  If the conditions are very dry and with the right equipment playing inside is no problem at all.  The main problem for strokers playing deep is getting around the corner but with the right equipment it can be done.  

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