Author Topic: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....USBC Update (Read 13392 times)

302efi · « **on:** October 15, 2008, 01:36:40 PM »

...with handicap

How in the hell am I suppose to beat that ?

***10/20/08 Update***
I just received this response from USBC about handicap scores going over 300/900 handicap:

" Leagues have the ability to put a cap on handicap scores that would prevent any scores above 300 or 900 from being recorded.

Two years ago at the National convention, delegates voted against a proposal that would do the same thing in tournaments.

In short, leagues would be able to put in place such a rule at the leagues organizational meeting, however, a tournament director may not put such a rule in place "
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Edited on 10/20/2008 2:15 PM

tdbowler · « **Reply #16 on:** October 15, 2008, 10:39:46 PM »

More often than not the higher average bowler is still going to come out on top in handicap leagues. Nights like this happen, but if you bowl that same guy 10 weeks in a row you are going to beat him like 8 or 9 of those weeks.

I bowl on a 3 man handicap league on a 20 point system were you bowl for team points and individual points and my whole team gets 0 handicap and we have made the league roll off 10 of the last 12 years and typically it is the highest average teams that are in the roll off.

So no I don't really see it as a problem!

six pack · « **Reply #17 on:** October 15, 2008, 10:42:48 PM »

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More often than not the higher average bowler is still going to come out on top in handicap leagues. Nights like this happen, but if you bowl that same guy 10 weeks in a row you are going to beat him like 8 or 9 of those weeks.

I bowl on a 3 man handicap league on a 20 point system were you bowl for team points and individual points and my whole team gets 0 handicap and we have made the league roll off 10 of the last 12 years and typically it is the highest average teams that are in the roll off.

So no I don't really see it as a problem!

agreed!but it still hurts when you get stung.
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TWOHAND834 · « **Reply #18 on:** October 15, 2008, 10:44:02 PM »

Join a scratch league? Sad part is that scratch leagues are the only way to combat handicap and yet those are falling by the wayside because scores are so high now that most people are afraid to bowl scratch. Something we just have to get used to I am afraid.
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302efi · « **Reply #19 on:** October 15, 2008, 10:45:22 PM »

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More often than not the higher average bowler is still going to come out on top in handicap leagues. Nights like this happen, but if you bowl that same guy 10 weeks in a row you are going to beat him like 8 or 9 of those weeks.

I bowl on a 3 man handicap league on a 20 point system were you bowl for team points and individual points and my whole team gets 0 handicap and we have made the league roll off 10 of the last 12 years and typically it is the highest average teams that are in the roll off.

So no I don't really see it as a problem!

I'm not talking about over a total period of time. I'm talking about shooting a 300 game scratch and losing the game.

Last week I had no handicap, this week I had one...So lets say I shoot 3 x 300 for a 900 set scratch. Lets say the guy I'm bowling against gets 30 pins and he shoots 278 every game scratch.

Should I really lose every point ? Shooting a 900 scratch set and lose ?!?
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

Edited on 10/15/2008 10:46 PM

tdbowler · « **Reply #20 on:** October 15, 2008, 10:50:44 PM »

That is all so hypothetical, because someone getting 30 pins isn't even averaging 200, I can't see him being consistent enough over 3 games to shoot in the 830's. It just isn't going to happen. Would it suck....yes, is it going to happen...doubt it!

six pack · « **Reply #21 on:** October 15, 2008, 10:51:58 PM »

if those are the rules you agreed to when you joined then yes.
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302efi · « **Reply #22 on:** October 15, 2008, 10:52:40 PM »

Never answered my question...

Should someone really lose after shooting a 900 set scratch to a handicap set over 900 ?
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

six pack · « **Reply #23 on:** October 15, 2008, 10:56:26 PM »

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if those are the rules you agreed to when you joined then yes.
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tdbowler · « **Reply #24 on:** October 15, 2008, 11:09:40 PM »

Yes!!! You should loose. You signed up for the league with full knowledge of the rules. You really can't complain about the rules after the fact. It has happened to many a high average bowler in handicap leagues. This isn't a first or a last. Again most often the high average bowler is at an advantage, but sometimes nights like that happen.

Also if I just got done shooting 900, I would probably give a crap if I won or lost, I'd be heading to the bar to celebrate!

Edited on 10/15/2008 11:11 PM

Juggernaut · « **Reply #25 on:** October 15, 2008, 11:22:29 PM »

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Never answered my question...

Should someone really lose after shooting a 900 set scratch to a handicap set over 900 ?
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Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

No, the rule should be amended so that NOBODY, scratch or otherwise, can shoot a score in excess of the maximum allowable score, i.e. 300 game or 900 series.
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Spider Ball Bowler · « **Reply #26 on:** October 15, 2008, 11:49:23 PM »

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Also if I just got done shooting 900, I would probably give a crap if I won or lost, I'd be heading to the bar to celebrate!

Edited on 10/15/2008 11:11 PM

Finally a voice of reason. If you shot 900, you wouldn't remember what the other guy shot....
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rockerbowler18 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 15, 2008, 11:52:06 PM »

Sorry bout that, man. That sucks...

That, my friends, is why I only bowl handicap when it's the ONLY option.
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302efi · « **Reply #28 on:** October 16, 2008, 12:08:56 AM »

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Yes!!! You should loose. You signed up for the league with full knowledge of the rules. You really can't complain about the rules after the fact. It has happened to many a high average bowler in handicap leagues. This isn't a first or a last. Again most often the high average bowler is at an advantage, but sometimes nights like that happen.

Also if I just got done shooting 900, I would probably give a crap if I won or lost, I'd be heading to the bar to celebrate!

In that case would you agree that the USBC needs to address this ?

How is fair that someone with handicap is allowed to shoot over the max someone with no handicap shoot ?

Pretty clear unfair disadvantage, no ?
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

tdbowler · « **Reply #29 on:** October 16, 2008, 12:21:46 AM »

No!!! That is the reason for scratch leagues. If you don't like the handicap rule, don't bowl in a handicap league. Handicap leagues are designed to give any bowler a chance to win on any given night, not just high average bowlers. You start taking pins away from low to mid average bowlers (who happen to be the majority of league bowlers) and you will discourage them from bowling and bowling will loose more bowlers than it already has. Average bowlers have a hard enough time already keeping up with the truly high average bowlers, even with handicap. It happens that lower average bowlers have good nights too and they are hard to beat. Even if you limit it to a high of 300/900 per game/series you still would have lost to this guy. You just have to take it on the chin and move on.

302efi · « **Reply #30 on:** October 16, 2008, 12:28:01 AM »

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Even if you limit it to a high of 300/900 per game

Thats all I'm asking for...no reason a handicap bowler should be able to do that and a none handicap bowler can't.
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

Edited on 10/16/2008 0:28 AM

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