Author Topic: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....USBC Update (Read 13151 times)

302efi · « **on:** October 15, 2008, 01:36:40 PM »

...with handicap

How in the hell am I suppose to beat that ?

***10/20/08 Update***
I just received this response from USBC about handicap scores going over 300/900 handicap:

" Leagues have the ability to put a cap on handicap scores that would prevent any scores above 300 or 900 from being recorded.

Two years ago at the National convention, delegates voted against a proposal that would do the same thing in tournaments.

In short, leagues would be able to put in place such a rule at the leagues organizational meeting, however, a tournament director may not put such a rule in place "
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

Edited on 10/20/2008 2:15 PM

Urameshii6 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 16, 2008, 02:28:44 AM »

Sounds like you're a rather sound and experienced bowler, 302. That being the case, you might as well leave this one be. I can understand where you're coming from on this (although I'm not a high average bowler), but tdbowler's right. Scratch leagues for the better bowlers, handicap for everyone else. That's the only way to keep fair for everyone. You gotta have somewhere for those who suck a little and those who are just plain terrible and join leagues for beer and social setting, because none of them are going to join a league where a 225 bowler destroys them 9/10 meetings. I know I wouldn't. Just understand that every so often you will have to deal with this, but you know as well as I do that you're going to beat the tar out of those guys way more than they are going to beat you. A little salty wound here and there isn't that bad. Just think all the other weeks when you do take that money.

six pack · « **Reply #32 on:** October 16, 2008, 06:30:55 AM »

I would like to see a rule where the max score with handicap cannot exceed the max score possible.don't think it would hurt any bowler as much as the handicap dose now,low or high average.I don't see it happening though.
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echidapus · « **Reply #33 on:** October 16, 2008, 08:25:01 AM »

If you want to shoot a 305 or a 915, then sandbag get handicap then shoot lights out. If you don't like the handicap then go to a scratch league. If there is no scratch league, then suck it up, because you are still a better bowler then your opponent

If someone bowls 100 pins above average one game, they are bowling out their arse and probably it will never happen again. If you don't have handicap, you will lose many bowlers, because then they can't compete.
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Jorge300 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 16, 2008, 08:25:28 AM »

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Yes!!! You should loose. You signed up for the league with full knowledge of the rules. You really can't complain about the rules after the fact. It has happened to many a high average bowler in handicap leagues. This isn't a first or a last. Again most often the high average bowler is at an advantage, but sometimes nights like that happen.

Also if I just got done shooting 900, I would probably give a crap if I won or lost, I'd be heading to the bar to celebrate!

In that case would you agree that the USBC needs to address this ?

How is fair that someone with handicap is allowed to shoot over the max someone with no handicap shoot ?

Pretty clear unfair disadvantage, no ?
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

Disadvantage - No. Unfair - No! See you are too selfish and stuck on yourself to see how hypocrtitical you are being here. Think about from the other guys perspective for a minute. Here is some bowler, averaging 130-150 or whatever the case may be and they shoot a 250-260-270 game. They just had the game of their life, should they now have to accept a tie because YOU think it's unfair that with handicap they go over 300? How is that going to make that person feel. You bowled great but you can't win just because the other guy shot a 300, sorry come back next week and try to do better, oh wait, you can't no matter what you shoot. Bottom-line stop being a baby and bowl scratch leagues. Or better yet bowl a PBAX or Sport shot league and see how bad you really are.
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sheppy335 · « **Reply #35 on:** October 16, 2008, 08:27:03 AM »

That will happen, sometimes that lower average bowler finds there groove and poof they shoot a big score with handicap. But again like other people mentoin if no handicap then you wouldnt have those bowlers.
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triggerman · « **Reply #36 on:** October 16, 2008, 08:40:12 AM »

I think the majority of you are missing the point, handicap is to level the field not to give a decided advantange to one player over the other, the maximum score acheivable scratch is 300-900, this should hold true for all, if the 130 bowler rolls a 255 he is probably gonna win every time, but his maximum score should be no more then the allowable scratch score IE 300, if I shoot 300 and he shoots anough to get there with cap, we tie, I have no issue with that, but with him having more handicap and thus a chance at a much higher score which I cannot get (I get 3 pins) the fairness of the handicap system went out the window as I have no way to catch him. Max score for anyone with cap should be 300-900, handicap was made to make scratch/handicap bowlers equal, not to give a decided advantage to one side or the other

Oh and I do bowl in two handicap leagues as there are no scratch leagues, but my goal is to bowl them scratch and if I have to make up 40 pins on the lower guy, that is what I go out and do, its just like bowling in a acratch league from that mentality, I look at his score plus cap and I know what i have to beat
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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #37 on:** October 16, 2008, 08:47:40 AM »

How can you do better than perfection??? Give them all the handicap you want per the league rules, but I strongly agree you need to cap the game total at 300. Let's assume a guy has 30 pins of handicap. Shoot a 250 = 280. 260 = 290. 270 = 300. 280 = 300. 290 = 300. 300 = 300. You won't beat him, but even if you have no handicap, if you ALSO bowl a perfect game, the highest game you can possibly bowl by rule, you can at least tie him. That to me sounds COMPLETELY fair. Why does a person deserve to score MORE than perfection just because they have handicap thanks to a lower average? That goes against the logic of what a perfect score IS!

LuckyLefty · « **Reply #38 on:** October 16, 2008, 08:48:43 AM »

I have hardly ever heard of a score like that...

What specifically were his scores?

Did he beat you scratch also?

If so....relax and move on...

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS I once bowled in a big tourney that went on for over a month....I believe the eventual winner shot somewhere in there an 899 handicap. There were over 1400 bowlers and many bowled multiple sets to qualify. Anything over 900 handicap is really spectacular!
PPS....I am in partial agreement and undecided if scores over 300 can be allowed with handicap. More of an argument for the endless 10th frame as shown on TV recently in some of the team bowling on TV....
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batbowler · « **Reply #39 on:** October 16, 2008, 09:10:18 AM »

Handicap bowlers get handicap for a reason! If they are truly sandbagging and it can be proven, file a protest with the usbc! Until people start to protest sandbaggers they will do it and get away with it. If it's truly their average, then they have the right to have a good night every once in a while. I've never seen low average bowlers bowl consistant high scores or they wouldn't be low average bowlers. Just think when you go to the USBC Nationals they are bowled scratch! Just my $.02, Bruce
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jls · « **Reply #40 on:** October 16, 2008, 09:25:32 AM »

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I think the USBC rules should be changed to NOT allow people to score over the maximum you can shoot scratch.

I mean what if I really would have shot a 900 and I beat by some shooting over that with handicap ? Something not right there at all.

What about if you shoot 300 and shoots over that with handicap ? Noone thinks the rules should changed ?
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

Last year I had a friend shoot 300 twice in the wed. nite mens league. He lost both times, 304-300, and 305-300. Oh well.
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Gazoo · « **Reply #41 on:** October 16, 2008, 09:35:09 AM »

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Never answered my question...

Should someone really lose after shooting a 900 set scratch to a handicap set over 900 ?
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In a handicap league yes, in a scratch league no. No different than if I shoot a 78 in golf and lose to someone shooting a 95 and I'm giving them a stroke a hole. Remember, even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time.
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DanH78 · « **Reply #42 on:** October 16, 2008, 09:51:10 AM »

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I'm not talking about over a total period of time. I'm talking about shooting a 300 game scratch and losing the game.

Last week I had no handicap, this week I had one...So lets say I shoot 3 x 300 for a 900 set scratch. Lets say the guy I'm bowling against gets 30 pins and he shoots 278 every game scratch.

Should I really lose every point ? Shooting a 900 scratch set and lose ?!?
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

Edited on 10/15/2008 10:46 PM

Yes. If you don't like it, join a scratch league. Everyone gets the same percentage of handicap, it would only be unfair if you got 80% and the other guy got 90%
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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #43 on:** October 16, 2008, 10:17:22 AM »

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Never answered my question...

Should someone really lose after shooting a 900 set scratch to a handicap set over 900 ?
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In a handicap league yes, in a scratch league no. No different than if I shoot a 78 in golf and lose to someone shooting a 95 and I'm giving them a stroke a hole. Remember, even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time.
Bad analogy. There is no perfect score in golf (well, technically you could ace every hole, but it's for all intents and purposes impossible). In bowling, there's a hard cap on what the best score in any one game or any three game series can be. How can you score better than perfection???

9andaWiggle · « **Reply #44 on:** October 16, 2008, 10:22:11 AM »

Sounds like you were out-bagged. You need to learn to let up when you're getting killed, then next week you'll get more cap and have a better chance.

The game has changed man, nobody cares who practices and has talent... It's all about the "W" baby, and you gotta be willing to do whatever it takes to get it! You gotta balance your mad skilz with some cap if you want to be the champ!

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302efi · « **Reply #45 on:** October 16, 2008, 11:50:00 AM »

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I think the majority of you are missing the point, handicap is to level the field not to give a decided advantange to one player over the other, the maximum score acheivable scratch is 300-900, this should hold true for all, if the 130 bowler rolls a 255 he is probably gonna win every time, but his maximum score should be no more then the allowable scratch score IE 300, if I shoot 300 and he shoots anough to get there with cap, we tie, I have no issue with that, but with him having more handicap and thus a chance at a much higher score which I cannot get (I get 3 pins) the fairness of the handicap system went out the window as I have no way to catch him. Max score for anyone with cap should be 300-900, handicap was made to make scratch/handicap bowlers equal, not to give a decided advantage to one side or the other

Exactly my point !

Why not cap the scores at the highest acheivable scores, (300-900) ? I'm not saying do away with handicap, I saying what does it make bowling look like when someone can score over the maximum that some can actually shoot ?

I have no problem with handicap at all, but I find it unfair that even if I would have shot my best last night that I still would have lost. With my 1 pin of handicap, the highest I could have shot is 903 and I still could not have beat his 921 and that with me rolling a legit 900 series..lol

You guys dont think that the highest attainable score for all players should be equal ?
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Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

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