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302efi

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So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« on: October 15, 2008, 01:36:40 PM »
...with handicap

How in the hell am I suppose to beat that ?


***10/20/08 Update***
I just received this response from USBC about handicap scores going over 300/900 handicap:

" Leagues have the ability to put a cap on handicap scores that would prevent any scores above 300 or 900 from being recorded.

Two years ago at the National convention, delegates voted against a proposal that would do the same thing in tournaments.

In short, leagues would be able to put in place such a rule at the leagues organizational meeting, however, a tournament director may not put such a rule in place "
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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2008, 12:00:32 PM »
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Disadvantage - No. Unfair - No!  See you are too selfish and stuck on yourself to see how hypocrtitical you are being here. Think about from the other guys perspective for a minute. Here is some bowler, averaging 130-150 or whatever the case may be and they shoot a 250-260-270 game. They just had the game of their life, should they now have to accept a tie because YOU think it's unfair that with handicap they go over 300? How is that going to make that person feel. You bowled great but you can't win just because the other guy shot a 300, sorry come back next week and try to do better, oh wait, you can't no matter what you shoot. Bottom-line stop being a baby and bowl scratch leagues. Or better yet bowl a PBAX or Sport shot league and see how bad you really are.
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By your post I see you have alot of hostility, but I'll give you a response.

This is not about being selfish or "stuck on myself", this is about the someone being allowed to shoot over the max attainable score. I would have no problem splitting the points if the handocap was capped at 300 for all...but if I shoot 300 legit and this guy has 42 pins handicap and shoots 260, hes allowed to score 302 ?

So my max possible is 300
His max possible score is 342

Why should he be legally alllowed to have a higher attainable score ?

Lets just cap the scores at 300 and I'd be happy to split the point(s)!
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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2008, 12:00:49 PM »
I didn't read thru all the responses but what is the league based on?  What's the hdcp.?
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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2008, 12:03:24 PM »
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I didn't read thru all the responses but what is the league based on?  What's the hdcp.?
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90% of 220

Once again, I have no problem with handicap, but a handicap should not allow someone to shoot over 300 or 900
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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2008, 12:24:38 PM »
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Disadvantage - No. Unfair - No!  See you are too selfish and stuck on yourself to see how hypocrtitical you are being here. Think about from the other guys perspective for a minute. Here is some bowler, averaging 130-150 or whatever the case may be and they shoot a 250-260-270 game. They just had the game of their life, should they now have to accept a tie because YOU think it's unfair that with handicap they go over 300? How is that going to make that person feel. You bowled great but you can't win just because the other guy shot a 300, sorry come back next week and try to do better, oh wait, you can't no matter what you shoot. Bottom-line stop being a baby and bowl scratch leagues. Or better yet bowl a PBAX or Sport shot league and see how bad you really are.
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By your post I see you have alot of hostility, but I'll give you a response.

This is not about being selfish or "stuck on myself", this is about the someone being allowed to shoot over the max attainable score. I would have no problem splitting the points if the handocap was capped at 300 for all...but if I shoot 300 legit and this guy has 42 pins handicap and shoots 260, hes allowed to score 302 ?

So my max possible is 300
His max possible score is 342

Why should he be legally alllowed to have a higher attainable score ?

Lets just cap the scores at 300 and I'd be happy to split the point(s)!
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Sport Bowling is a F**king joke



You are stuck on yourself cause you failed to address the main point of my response....this all about why you should have to lose...why should the other bowler be forced to tie or lower his score if his total plus handicap just happens to go above 300? You are thinking only of how this is raw deal for you, but never once did you consider the raw deal you give to lower average bowler with your "solution". I have no hostility towards anyone on this board, not worth the aggrevation, especially you. Just pointing out the hypocrite you are being is all. If you can live with it, so be it, that's your sad life then.
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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #50 on: October 16, 2008, 12:39:18 PM »
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You are stuck on yourself cause you failed to address the main point of my response....this all about why you should have to lose...why should the other bowler be forced to tie or lower his score if his total plus handicap just happens to go above 300? You are thinking only of how this is raw deal for you, but never once did you consider the raw deal you give to lower average bowler with your "solution". I have no hostility towards anyone on this board, not worth the aggrevation, especially you. Just pointing out the hypocrite you are being is all. If you can live with it, so be it, that's your sad life then.


Wow man, you must really have something going on to continue be so negitive..lol

My opinion is not a solution. Its an opinion on a messgae board of a bowling website. I didnt know we were only allowed to post to your veiws, I must have missed that memo

"why should the other bowler be forced to tie or lower his score if his total plus handicap just happens to go above 300"

Well 300 is the "magic" number in bowling, 300 is a perfect game, you can't roll a legit game better then 300...but someone with handicap (iehelp) is allowed to ?

Talk about bowling gaining respect in the sports world, yeah that sure will happen.

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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #51 on: October 16, 2008, 12:47:55 PM »
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"why should the other bowler be forced to tie or lower his score if his total plus handicap just happens to go above 300"

Well 300 is the "magic" number in bowling, 300 is a perfect game, you can't roll a legit game better then 300
Exactly my point, and almost nobody but us seems to want to address this.  How can you have a score better than what you get for a perfect game?
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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #52 on: October 16, 2008, 01:00:07 PM »
Its different from you shooting a 78 and losing to somebody shooting a 95 because your giving them 1 stroke a hole.

Now this is impossible. But how about if you shot an 18 for 18 holes and you lost in stroke play.


Nobody in this topic is saying we should completely do away with handicap. The point is the maximum possible score you can bowl is 300, and it should be that way handicap or not. 300 is the max.

And the scratch league is not always an option.
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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #53 on: October 16, 2008, 01:04:12 PM »
I'm glad see other people understand what I'm trying to say ^^^^^^^^

I'm going to Email USBC in a few minutes and ask them their opinion on this. I'll post their response when they send me one...
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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #54 on: October 16, 2008, 01:10:50 PM »
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"why should the other bowler be forced to tie or lower his score if his total plus handicap just happens to go above 300"

Well 300 is the "magic" number in bowling, 300 is a perfect game, you can't roll a legit game better then 300
Exactly my point, and almost nobody but us seems to want to address this.  How can you have a score better than what you get for a perfect game?


I think Jorge has a point... 302 knows the rules.  He should prepare for and play the game better.  If he needs to be shooting 330 per game and 990 for series to win, then he needs to be sandbagging a hell of a lot better than he is!  The rules are clearly laid out - highest handicap plus score = winner.  Therefore, since 302 does not get enough handicap to shoot 330 per game, the obvious solution, by the rules, is that he needs to lower his average in order to attain enough handicap to shoot a high enough combined score+handicap to overtake his opponents.

I don't see what's so difficult to understand.  The rules are pretty black and white here.

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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #55 on: October 16, 2008, 01:14:00 PM »
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"why should the other bowler be forced to tie or lower his score if his total plus handicap just happens to go above 300"

Well 300 is the "magic" number in bowling, 300 is a perfect game, you can't roll a legit game better then 300
Exactly my point, and almost nobody but us seems to want to address this.  How can you have a score better than what you get for a perfect game?


I think Jorge has a point... 302 knows the rules.  He should prepare for and play the game better.  If he needs to be shooting 330 per game and 990 for series to win, then he needs to be sandbagging a hell of a lot better than he is!  The rules are clearly laid out - highest handicap plus score = winner.  Therefore, since 302 does not get enough handicap to shoot 330 per game, the obvious solution, by the rules, is that he needs to lower his average in order to attain enough handicap to shoot a high enough combined score+handicap to overtake his opponents.

I don't see what's so difficult to understand.  The rules are pretty black and white here.
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So your saying I should intentionally cheat (sandbag) just to beat people with more more handicap then me ?!?


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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #56 on: October 16, 2008, 01:18:12 PM »
I'd say if you don't like it 302 just bowl scratch leagues.  If there are no scratch leagues.....oh well.  

BTW...is everybody in the league under 220?
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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #57 on: October 16, 2008, 01:19:07 PM »
[in "Cleveland" voice]

Beating the handicapped is wrong!
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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #58 on: October 16, 2008, 01:28:26 PM »
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"why should the other bowler be forced to tie or lower his score if his total plus handicap just happens to go above 300"

Well 300 is the "magic" number in bowling, 300 is a perfect game, you can't roll a legit game better then 300
Exactly my point, and almost nobody but us seems to want to address this.  How can you have a score better than what you get for a perfect game?


I think Jorge has a point... 302 knows the rules.  He should prepare for and play the game better.  If he needs to be shooting 330 per game and 990 for series to win, then he needs to be sandbagging a hell of a lot better than he is!  The rules are clearly laid out - highest handicap plus score = winner.  Therefore, since 302 does not get enough handicap to shoot 330 per game, the obvious solution, by the rules, is that he needs to lower his average in order to attain enough handicap to shoot a high enough combined score+handicap to overtake his opponents.

I don't see what's so difficult to understand.  The rules are pretty black and white here.
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So your saying I should intentionally cheat (sandbag) just to beat people with more more handicap then me ?!?


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Sport Bowling is a F**king joke


Cheating is such an ugly word.  Look at it as "leveling the playing field".  If the cappers are allowed the rediculously unfair advantage of being able to shoot scores plus handicap which an honest scratch score - even if absolutely perfect - can NEVER beat or even tie, well then I think you have to reconsider what cheating really is.  I'd call it "an adjustment to the current playing conditions".

Just like a scratch bowler practices to hone his skills to be at his best, most competitive level for competition, so must the bowler in a handicap league prepare by maintaining a good balance of handicap that can be tapped as needed to attain victory.  Since skill is less than half of the deciding factor in a handicap event, one must be willing to employ different strategies to attain a winning record.

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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #59 on: October 16, 2008, 01:30:20 PM »
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Look at it as "leveling the playing field".


I like the way you think

Point taken
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Re: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....***USBC Update***
« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2008, 01:33:48 PM »
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I'd say if you don't like it 302 just bowl scratch leagues.  If there are no scratch leagues.....oh well.  

BTW...is everybody in the league under 220?
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As I've posted earlier, there is none nowhere in the county..lol There is a Classic league on Monday nights that capped per team and I'm on it

As far as 220 in the league, the league is made up of 30 teams, 5 man teams. There is a couple, maybe 3-4 people between 220-228 I'd say.
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