Author Topic: So the guy I bowled against tonight shot 921....USBC Update (Read 13396 times)

302efi · « **on:** October 15, 2008, 01:36:40 PM »

...with handicap

How in the hell am I suppose to beat that ?

***10/20/08 Update***
I just received this response from USBC about handicap scores going over 300/900 handicap:

" Leagues have the ability to put a cap on handicap scores that would prevent any scores above 300 or 900 from being recorded.

Two years ago at the National convention, delegates voted against a proposal that would do the same thing in tournaments.

In short, leagues would be able to put in place such a rule at the leagues organizational meeting, however, a tournament director may not put such a rule in place "
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

Edited on 10/20/2008 2:15 PM

rvmark · « **Reply #61 on:** October 16, 2008, 01:48:13 PM »

I have hardly ever heard of a score like that...

"What specifically were his scores?

Did he beat you scratch also?

If so....relax and move on..."

REgards,

Luckylefty
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I agree lets here the rest of the story. I agree you can make an case for not giving a score above a perfect game or series.... The real question is what was his average? Handicap? Games and Series?

If the rule was changed would you have won on that given night?

If you bowled well and lost it happens, not worth blowing a gasket on. Relax and enjoy yourself and you just might have fun.

Mark

DragonLord · « **Reply #62 on:** October 16, 2008, 01:57:45 PM »

Sorry for asking this dumb question have a handicap of 47. My average is 150. Now last light I bowled a guy that had 4 for his handicap. My games where 132 138 169. Now I have bowled in a summer league and I have never saw a 200 or high for me. Now my wife last year bowled a 200 and that is the last time she did it. But me I have been taking my time and still don't figure out the hadicap. But last nite the guy I bowled his games where 220 230 200. now Me know there is no way I could bowl that high. why I say that I wear a prothstic leg and I saw how he bowls and he would just destroy me. I asked him a rough guess how I would do if I wanted to try scratch and he said I would have to ask place where the scratch league was and then tell him what my score are and he let me know if I would be able to keep up with the other teams. I just luv to bowl wheter I win or not I got my exercise and had fun. and the Dumb question is how do they figure out what a person gets for a handicap wheter its male or female?

302efi · « **Reply #63 on:** October 16, 2008, 02:12:11 PM »

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I agree lets here the rest of the story. I agree you can make an case for not giving a score above a perfect game or series.... The real question is what was his average? Handicap? Games and Series?

If the rule was changed would you have won on that given night?

If you bowled well and lost it happens, not worth blowing a gasket on. Relax and enjoy yourself and you just might have fun.

Mark

Well the other team put there highest handicap against me, the anchor. His was getting 81 pins a game. IMO opinion he shouldnt even be on thsi league..lol He just got a new ball drilled up to I beleive, it was a brand new looking Rapid Fire Pearl.

His first game was 342, second was a 302 and the last was 277 (all with handicap)

The last alot of Brooklyns, through the nose carries ect...

I shot 708 scratch, so 711 with handicap..lol

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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

nutsforbowling · « **Reply #64 on:** October 16, 2008, 02:25:00 PM »

Hey 9~, I want to know which handicap tourneys you bowl in so I can avoid those. I understand your thinking, but I for one could never screw up on purpose. I always thought you were supposed to try your hardest, and let the pins fall where they may. There isn't enough money to be made in leagues to try and mess up on purpose.

As for losing to someone with handicap, I have shot 290 scratch(305 with handicap), and lost, and didn't get mad at that. I congratulated the guy on his game(till then his highest ever), and then continued on.

The next thing you will want is if someone throws a brooklyn strike to beat you they should have to give that up too. Handicap is part of the game and is there to keep lower average bowlers from getting discouraged and quitting the game. If you start putting people at a severe disadvantage, they will quit, and then bowling will continue it's downslide.

Bowling is just a game. Unless you are making a living at it, sometimes it's better to just let things go. It will be more fun and less maddening.
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Dan Belcher · « **Reply #65 on:** October 16, 2008, 02:34:13 PM »

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Hey 9~, I want to know which handicap tourneys you bowl in so I can avoid those.

Have you ever seen 9~ post before? You should know better than to ever take anything he says seriously.

agroves · « **Reply #66 on:** October 16, 2008, 02:41:21 PM »

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Hey 9~, I want to know which handicap tourneys you bowl in so I can avoid those. I understand your thinking, but I for one could never screw up on purpose. I always thought you were supposed to try your hardest, and let the pins fall where they may. There isn't enough money to be made in leagues to try and mess up on purpose.

You don't have to "screw off" on purpose. What if I showed up to league and bowled with just a plastic ball? I did it last year for a few weeks. It doesn't mean I wasn't trying to the best of my ability. Carry is definitely tougher with a plastic ball.

I, too, think max score with handicap should be limited to 300.
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nutsforbowling · « **Reply #67 on:** October 16, 2008, 02:56:09 PM »

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Hey 9~, I want to know which handicap tourneys you bowl in so I can avoid those.
Have you ever seen 9~ post before? You should know better than to ever take anything he says seriously.

I know, I know, it has something to do with those damn sheep of his. I have to admit it is funny as hell sometimes.
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9andaWiggle · « **Reply #68 on:** October 16, 2008, 02:56:55 PM »

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Hey 9~, I want to know which handicap tourneys you bowl in so I can avoid those.
Have you ever seen 9~ post before? You should know better than to ever take anything he says seriously.

I know, I know, it has something to do with those damn sheep of his. I have to admit it is funny as hell sometimes.
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LuckyLefty · « **Reply #69 on:** October 16, 2008, 03:02:34 PM »

SOooooooo....

You really didn't want to answer that question did ya! He had a 678....WOW!

He deserves to have his night in the sun. Fact of the matter is his average will skyrocket....and it doesn't matter if his handicap was a more fair 40 or 50. He would have whupped nearly anyone's butt that night with handicap.

Two years we had a 110 bowler shoot like a 185 the last game against our team. She bowled so good. Some guy accused her of sandbagging and sent her into tears....I was on his team....it was the only game she had all year over 150. Our team consoled her as he had sure robbed this sweetheart of a girl of the joy of this wonderful game! He didn't come back the next week.

Everyone was fine with that.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS this guys average WILL skyrocket with his new ball and he'll be tough to beat for awhile! But then....he'll slow way down.

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302efi · « **Reply #70 on:** October 16, 2008, 03:11:39 PM »

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SOooooooo....

You really didn't want to answer that question did ya! He had a 678....WOW!

He deserves to have his night in the sun. Fact of the matter is his average will skyrocket....and it doesn't matter if his handicap was a more fair 40 or 50. He would have whupped nearly anyone's butt that night with handicap.

Two years we had a 110 bowler shoot like a 185 the last game against our team. She bowled so good. Some guy accused her of sandbagging and sent her into tears....I was on his team....it was the only game she had all year over 150. Our team consoled her as he had sure robbed this sweetheart of a girl of the joy of this wonderful game! He didn't come back the next week.

Everyone was fine with that.

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS this guys average WILL skyrocket with his new ball and he'll be tough to beat for awhile! But then....he'll slow way down.

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Open the door...see what's possible...and just walk right on through...that's how easy success feels..

LL as I've beem saying over and over again, its not his handicap that was the problem !

The problem is the handicap allowing him to shoot over 300 or 900 !

300 & 900 are the highest & best attainable scratch scores possible, why should handicap be allowed to go over that ?

Wheres the limits ?

So If had an avg of 1, I could get 219 pins handicap and rules would allow me to shoot a 519 SINGLE game ?!

WTF ?
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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

rvmark · « **Reply #71 on:** October 16, 2008, 03:12:22 PM »

Looks like the individual would have beat almost anyone that night. In a handicap league you are going to have those nights when someone is bowling out of their noggin and carrying everything. It happens, looks like you had a good night and this guy had a career night for him and nobody on your team would have been able to beat him.

Good luck and good bowling!

Mark

Urameshii6 · « **Reply #72 on:** October 16, 2008, 03:14:42 PM »

Sounds like he just had a lucky night, carrying everything in the building. Doubt it would happen again. And after reading posts from Dan and a couple of others, I would have to agree with the 300/900 cap deal as well. Noone can shoot higher than that, so that's where it should end. If handicap carrys the score to that point, cool, but not past it. If you get a response from the USBC, do post it. I would love to hear how they answer this.

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I agree lets here the rest of the story. I agree you can make an case for not giving a score above a perfect game or series.... The real question is what was his average? Handicap? Games and Series?

If the rule was changed would you have won on that given night?

If you bowled well and lost it happens, not worth blowing a gasket on. Relax and enjoy yourself and you just might have fun.

Mark

Well the other team put there highest handicap against me, the anchor. His was getting 81 pins a game. IMO opinion he shouldnt even be on thsi league..lol He just got a new ball drilled up to I beleive, it was a brand new looking Rapid Fire Pearl.

His first game was 342, second was a 302 and the last was 277 (all with handicap)

The last alot of Brooklyns, through the nose carries ect...

I shot 708 scratch, so 711 with handicap..lol

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I will head to my local pro shop. Right after I buy it online.

Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

MI 2 AZ · « **Reply #73 on:** October 16, 2008, 03:39:17 PM »

302, are there any points awarded for totals? Team points (game and series) or individual?

One problem I would see with capping a handicapped game at 300 would be the possibility of losing either the team game or the totals because of the lost pins. Guy with hdcp is limited to a 300 game but his team loses the game points by a couple of pins or he loses the individual series to you by a few pins.

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nospareball · « **Reply #74 on:** October 16, 2008, 03:43:21 PM »

What if two guys with handicaps in the 50's, one has 59 pins of cap and the other has 50 pins of cap, both shoot lights out on the same night? Lets say for argument that their scores are 268 and 257 respectively. That's where the 300/900 limit rule would get tricky. You'd have one guy who should have beaten the other guys with handicap, but they end up tied because their scores+cap are artificially limited.

Not that something like that happens very often, but probably more often than one guy shooting 300 scratch and the other shooting 300+ with cap.
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302efi · « **Reply #75 on:** October 16, 2008, 03:54:05 PM »

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302, are there any points awarded for totals? Team points (game and series) or individual?

One problem I would see with capping a handicapped game at 300 would be the possibility of losing either the team game or the totals because of the lost pins. Guy with hdcp is limited to a 300 game but his team loses the game points by a couple of pins or he loses the individual series to you by a few pins.

There is a total of 33 possible points a night:

Individual per game (Guy across from you) 1 point
Team per game (Team total per game) 2 points
Individual series (Guy across from you) 2 points
Team series (Team total per game) 2 points

If a guy with no handicap is limited to 300 per game max, shouldnt a guy with handicap be limited to 300 as well ?
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Sport Bowling is a F**king joke

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