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kegal advice
« on: February 21, 2005, 11:25:45 PM »
My house is using a 2 year old kegal unit, which seems to put a rather erratic pattern. One day, the shot is fine, on another, releasing the ball at warp 6 may keep you near the pocket. We use "control" as the oil of choice. It was chosen at the advice of the applications person when the Kegal arrived. The pattern is tapered, oiling, at least what is programed, to 39 feet forward, 37 in reverse. On those "strange days, the oil pattern looks scattered and blotchy, if that makes any sense. We did try to bring the shot down even further; but the back-ends were non-existent. The patterens in the book actually call for shorter patterens; which is a very bad thing.

Any advice or comments out there?
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Re: kegal advice
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2005, 07:30:29 AM »
what type of machine is it??
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Re: kegal advice
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2005, 07:39:36 AM »
It is a Kegal  Pheonix unit. Once again, it is a newer unit, and there is routine maintance on the system.
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Re: kegal advice
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2005, 07:57:48 AM »
We use a very old silver bullet.
We have problems from day to day as you do. Some of which are caused due to where the machine is stored.
Our best techie said that you can get a big difference if its stored in a cooler area than a warmer one.
He said there are other reasons, I just think ours is worn out.
I dont know if you will have similar problems with your type of machine.
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Re: kegal advice
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2005, 08:06:10 AM »
we have the Kegal Pheonix/s tournament edition.  The only thing i can think of is take the spray nozzles of the front and clean them really good, to be sure that your getting consistant oil taken off the lane, and make sure your mixing the solution strong enough, so it can take the oil off!!!! Yes it does have a 100 mile checkup that will pop up on the screen when needed.  Another thing you can check is the buffer make sure the brissles are not stuck together and clean them good (with an air compressor).  hope that helps!
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Re: kegal advice
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2005, 08:26:50 AM »
When we got our new Phoenix it took about a year for the (then)lan(m)e man to figure out that he had been oiling AND stripping at the same time.  So, we were bowling on a blend of oil and stripper.  Some days it looked about like what you describe.  You might want to check on that.
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Re: kegal advice
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2005, 09:07:14 PM »
with the phoenix we have mentioned above you do oil and strip at the same time going down, with the stripper being sprayed out and the cloth sucking the old junk up, then the oil and buffer is behind all that.
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Re: kegal advice
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2005, 09:13:08 AM »
But what they were doing here was combining the oil and stripper, leaving stripper mixed with oil on the lane.
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Re: kegal advice
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2005, 09:18:30 AM »
The responses are all great. Checked over the unit last nite, and the first thing I noticed was the bristles that oil indeed were matted. Another issue found was that some of our crack young hired hands are using the funnel we use for the stripping soultion was also being used to place oil inot that tank. Though minor, it is another problem thatcis combined with multiple other ones.
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Re: kegal advice
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2005, 09:29:35 AM »
You would have to be a moron to combine the stripper and oil, first off they have separate tanks, second the machine won't allow you to do it with out turning off the vacume, which would leave a puddle.  The ONLY way I can see that happening is to put the stuff in the same tank, if thats the case just shoot him. Secondly I would recomend calling Kegal, we had issues with our custodian and they walked us through everything step by step and were great to work with. If I recall correctly I think it was the oil spreaders, basicly the soft side of velcro, that were in need of replacement.  Our shot was majorly off, much like yours. I would take a look there, but Kegal is a great company don't hesitate to call.

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Re: kegal advice
« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2005, 09:36:54 AM »
Calling some of the staff members a moron could be seen as a step up. I their defense, they were not mixing the two together, simple using the same funnel to fill each up. We caught this last nite when one of the better folks who work there had the task of oiling.
When you talk about the "soft velcro:, is that above and next to the bristles, and collects dust and lint almost after every pass?
Also, what type of oil is being used out there. I underdstand the "control" may not be the best.
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