Author Topic: Solid Balls That Retain Energy (Read 6131 times)

traderfjp · « **on:** July 28, 2016, 08:31:50 AM »

I've bought many solid balls over the years and most of them hook too early and don't finish hard through the pins. I wanted to start a list of solid balls that have excellent back end motion and which aren't more than 3 years old.

1. Storm IQ Nano. Gets through the heads clean and make a huge move on the back end. There is no quit,

Lord20352 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 28, 2016, 08:48:05 AM »

Add to this list the DV8 Grudge Hybrid....very clean thru the heads, saves all it's energy for the back end.

SVstar34 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 28, 2016, 09:01:14 AM »

Are most of the ones that didnt work for you high end asymmetrics?

Generally balls made for medium-light conditions will retain energy better than ones made for medium-heavy conditions. Unless you have oil

Storm has the Rocket Ship, Match Solid, Fight
Hammer has the Viral Solid
Motiv has the Venom Shock
DV8 had the Dude and Diva

I have a Motiv Revolt Havoc that with lane shine and/or polish retains energy fairly well for having a strong cover

Going older my 2 favorites are the Hammer Blue Vibe (cant beat the Vibe core) and 900 Global Bounty (if 900G ever decides to bring the double cross core to AMF I'll be first in line)

AlonzoHarris · « **Reply #3 on:** July 28, 2016, 09:03:00 AM »

Could it be that they are burning up? I know that my Haywire will move ALOT on the backend if it finds oil to get down there. On the other hand I've had it hit like a marshmallow with little movement. I think the keys with solids is oil and rotation.

milorafferty · « **Reply #4 on:** July 28, 2016, 09:06:35 AM »

Any solid with a polished cover.

spmcgivern · « **Reply #5 on:** July 28, 2016, 09:11:39 AM »

If the "solids" you are buying are hooking too early, you shouldn't be buying those "solids". (assuming you have adjusted the cover)

Buy something that fits what you need. Why try to make a square peg fit a round hole.

Impending Doom · « **Reply #6 on:** July 28, 2016, 09:13:54 AM »

Quote from: SVstar34 on July 28, 2016, 09:01:14 AM

Are most of the ones that didnt work for you high end asymmetrics?

Generally balls made for medium-light conditions will retain energy better than ones made for medium-heavy conditions. Unless you have oil

Storm has the Rocket Ship, Match Solid, Fight
Hammer has the Viral Solid
Motiv has the Venom Shock
DV8 had the Dude and Diva

I have a Motiv Revolt Havoc that with lane shine and/or polish retains energy fairly well for having a strong cover

Going older my 2 favorites are the Hammer Blue Vibe (cant beat the Vibe core) and 900 Global Bounty (if 900G ever decides to bring the double cross core to AMF I'll be first in line)

It was called the Grip, and if you see one, let me know too. 😀

s_hemker · « **Reply #7 on:** July 28, 2016, 10:02:44 AM »

Seismic Venator Solid. One of if not THE best ball I have ever thrown.

charlest · « **Reply #8 on:** July 28, 2016, 10:11:43 AM »

Quote from: traderfjp on July 28, 2016, 08:31:50 AM

I've bought many solid balls over the years and most of them hook too early and don't finish hard through the pins. I wanted to start a list of solid balls that have excellent back end motion and which aren't more than 3 years old.

1. Storm IQ Nano. Gets through the heads clean and make a huge move on the back end. There is no quit,

Sorry, Bud, but the fault isn't with the balls, but with you or whoever is suggesting/recommending the balls you are buying. They are obviously too aggressive for the oil you are facing, the style of bowler you are (speed, revs, tilt, rotation, etc) and the way they are drilled.

And it has nothing to do with the core specs. It all has to do with the ball, what is designed to do, how aggressive the coverstock is, how rough or smooth the surface is on the ball and how well it matches up to the core.

You or whoever is making these choices has to more thoroughly analyze the ball before you decide to buy and have to drilled. Also, maybe you need to have the surface of these "bad" balls, either made smoother or even polished. That could allow some of these "mistakes" to become very usable for you.

The Nano is a very aggressive coverstock (actually particle) and is finished to 4000 grit out of the box, but the core has very little flare. This allows the ball to get more length than would be normal for a particle coverstock, and then allow the particles to dig and make the turn. It's all in the balance of the cover, the surface and the core.

milorafferty · « **Reply #9 on:** July 28, 2016, 10:32:48 AM »

Quote from: s_hemker on July 28, 2016, 10:02:44 AM

Seismic Venator Solid. One of if not THE best ball I have ever thrown.

Yea, that is/was a good one. I made a mistake not getting that ball when it was available!

spmcgivern · « **Reply #10 on:** July 28, 2016, 11:00:10 AM »

Quote from: charlest on July 28, 2016, 10:11:43 AM

Quote from: traderfjp on July 28, 2016, 08:31:50 AM
I've bought many solid balls over the years and most of them hook too early and don't finish hard through the pins. I wanted to start a list of solid balls that have excellent back end motion and which aren't more than 3 years old.

1. Storm IQ Nano. Gets through the heads clean and make a huge move on the back end. There is no quit,

Sorry, Bud, but the fault isn't with the balls, but with you or whoever is suggesting/recommending the balls you are buying. They are obviously too aggressive for the oil you are facing, the style of bowler you are (speed, revs, tilt, rotation, etc) and the way they are drilled.

And it has nothing to do with the core specs. It all has to do with the ball, what is designed to do, how aggressive the coverstock is, how rough or smooth the surface is on the ball and how well it matches up to the core.

You or whoever is making these choices has to more thoroughly analyze the ball before you decide to buy and have to drilled. Also, maybe you need to have the surface either made smoother or even polished. That could allow some of these "mistakes" to become very usable for you.

The Nano is a very aggressive coverstock (actually particle) and is finished to 4000 grit out of the box, but the core has very little flare. This allows the ball to get more length than would be normal for a particle coverstock, and then allow the particles to dig and make the turn. It's all in the balance of the cover, the surface and the core.

+1

You said it better.

traderfjp · « **Reply #11 on:** July 28, 2016, 03:53:53 PM »

There is always a gamble when buying a new bowling ball. You can read all the reviews watch all the videos, etc. and at the end of the day the ball may not perform as the bowler wanted. We have all bought balls that were different from what we wanted. Proshop owners can't and don't throw every ball they carry so usually they are giving out an educated guess on what the ball's motion will look like. I've had the best luck watching someone throw the ball at the house I bowl in before I buy the ball but that is not always possible. That said there are stand out balls, average balls and duds. There are many factors that influence ball motion. Obviously the oil pattern, cover prep, the guy throwing it, tilt, revs, drilling, etc. are all variables. Some will say that every ball will work well on the right pattern. There is some truth to that. However, there are also standout balls. The original Hyroad would be one of these balls. A great combination of cover and core. Many titles have been won with that ball too. The Track Triton was another stand out ball. Not every solid ball, polished or not will react with the criteria I set for the list I was hoping to create. I have plenty of solid balls that smooth out a pattern and are continuous. I've only had a few that can get down the lane and really read the mids and still make a hard turn into the pocket. In all fairness a solid ball isn't really designed to be angular. Usually a weaker cover si needed to get down lane ball motion. I've owner many balls over the years and keep a 220/235 average and have taken many lessons and read many books so I know something about this topic.

Quote from: charlest on July 28, 2016, 10:11:43 AM

Quote from: traderfjp on July 28, 2016, 08:31:50 AM
I've bought many solid balls over the years and most of them hook too early and don't finish hard through the pins. I wanted to start a list of solid balls that have excellent back end motion and which aren't more than 3 years old.

1. Storm IQ Nano. Gets through the heads clean and make a huge move on the back end. There is no quit,

Sorry, Bud, but the fault isn't with the balls, but with you or whoever is suggesting/recommending the balls you are buying. They are obviously too aggressive for the oil you are facing, the style of bowler you are (speed, revs, tilt, rotation, etc) and the way they are drilled.

And it has nothing to do with the core specs. It all has to do with the ball, what is designed to do, how aggressive the coverstock is, how rough or smooth the surface is on the ball and how well it matches up to the core.

You or whoever is making these choices has to more thoroughly analyze the ball before you decide to buy and have to drilled. Also, maybe you need to have the surface of these "bad" balls, either made smoother or even polished. That could allow some of these "mistakes" to become very usable for you.

The Nano is a very aggressive coverstock (actually particle) and is finished to 4000 grit out of the box, but the core has very little flare. This allows the ball to get more length than would be normal for a particle coverstock, and then allow the particles to dig and make the turn. It's all in the balance of the cover, the surface and the core.

spmcgivern · « **Reply #12 on:** July 28, 2016, 04:22:11 PM »

One of these days, the bowling public will relinquish the marketing terminology of solid, hybrid and pearl.

Each manufacturer will give a general description of the intended purpose of each ball and how it fits in the lineup. I have a novel idea, why don't bowlers use this knowledge to decide which ball to buy.

charlest · « **Reply #13 on:** July 28, 2016, 04:32:44 PM »

Quote from: traderfjp on July 28, 2016, 03:53:53 PM

.... Not every solid ball, polished or not will react with the criteria I set for the list I was hoping to create. I have plenty of solid balls that smooth out a pattern and are continuous. I've only had a few that can get down the lane and really read the mids and still make a hard turn into the pocket.

And not all or even most solids will make a hard turn, even when polished.

Quote

In all fairness a solid ball isn't really designed to be angular. Usually a weaker cover si needed to get down lane ball motion. I've owner many balls over the years and keep a 220/235 average and have taken many lessons and read many books so I know something about this topic.

But the way you started the conversation was as if 9 out of every 10 balls you bought was a stinker. I was addressing that thought.

There are more than a few solid balls now coming out that have a relatively sharp turn turn the pocket. I would suspect you don;t have to limit yourself to solids as they are many hybrids and some pearls that will have hard arcs when sanded to 3000/4000 grit or even used polished.

Among them the new Danger Zone, the 900G Dark Matter, RG Eternal Cell, Critical Theory.
(Most asymmetric cores have the potential to be drilled with a very hard arc, even when surfaced towards the dull side.), 90oG Black OPs and Special Ops, Columbia Raw Urge, Radical Ridiculous Asymmetric, Gamebreaker 2 MVP, among them

Impending Doom · « **Reply #14 on:** July 28, 2016, 05:12:33 PM »

Motiv Tag is a solid and it's 45 feet then left turn. My Black Ops is super clean then left.

Learn surface prep, friends!

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