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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: AlonzoHarris on November 08, 2017, 10:01:03 AM
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Anyone been successful in a variety of tournaments with never using a solid or hybrid asym? More so just curiosity, but also questioning if high diff solid syms can fill that spot just as well.
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Yes........
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Without question.
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Yes........
Sweet...decision made.
I guess to elaborate some, it seems like my only solid asym sits idle and I'm swapping stuff around for this tournament season. I try to only own 8 pieces at one time, and take 6 max to any tournament. Thinking maybe a low rg, med-high diff, decent cover strength solid to replace it in hopes to get a little more utility out of that slot.
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I only carry one solid asym in my tournament bag, and it is a polished Alpha Crux. However my go to solid is a symmetrical Phase 2. My other balls are a Marvel Pearl and Blue Vibe.
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Yes, but there are a lot of factors that go into it.
I personally think having at least 1 more option is good if you bowl a lot of tournaments. I've used my Absolute Nirvana on Viper because the cover burning energy allowed me to control the backend.
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You already have a Phaze II.
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No question I would take my More Cash to a tournament with surface. My doubts are more whether I should have an asym medium to medium dry ball (of any type) which I currently don't. My guess if I was more consistent would be yes but not necessary until then. Even my strong pearl is symmetric (Scandal Pearl). Only other asym ball I have is a Stealth Bomber oiler I have stored in garage.
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You already have a Phaze II.
I was thinking of complementing it with a Dare Devil Trick or similar symmetric for times when the Phaze II is checking too hard off the spot still. My solid asym is currently a BW Red Legend Solid 20 x 4 x 70 P3 hole.
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Given my rev rate, the lack of underlying friction on the left, and not too many lefties to open a shot up, I always carry a solid asymmetrical with surface to tournaments.
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You already have a Phaze II.
I was thinking of complementing it with a Dare Devil Trick or similar symmetric for times when the Phaze II is checking too hard off the spot still. My solid asym is currently a BW Red Legend Solid 20 x 4 x 70 P3 hole.
You have about 3 balls that would fit better than a DDT.
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You already have a Phaze II.
I was thinking of complementing it with a Dare Devil Trick or similar symmetric for times when the Phaze II is checking too hard off the spot still. My solid asym is currently a BW Red Legend Solid 20 x 4 x 70 P3 hole.
You have about 3 balls that would fit better than a DDT.
Not a fan of the DDT, Northface?
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You already have a Phaze II.
I was thinking of complementing it with a Dare Devil Trick or similar symmetric for times when the Phaze II is checking too hard off the spot still. My solid asym is currently a BW Red Legend Solid 20 x 4 x 70 P3 hole.
You have about 3 balls that would fit better than a DDT.
Not a fan of the DDT, Northface?
It’s a great ball, just not what I’d reach for if moving off a Phaze II.
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At the same surface, I've found that the DDT and Phaze II hook the same number of boards. However, the DDT starts hooking earlier but is lazier on the back end than the Phaze II. The DDT is quintessential smooth while the Phaze II has back end punch not found in too many symmetrical solids.
Ultimately, there are times when either/or is the better choice. However, you cannot step down or step up to either/or. The ball motions are too dissimilar.
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My findings as well, as I almost purchased both, good to always get advise before pulling the trigger.
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I'd echo this and what northface said. DDT and Phaze 2 are shape differences, neither is a step down or up to the other, they're about as equal on total hook as two balls can be. The IQ Tour Solid would be more of a true step down, and you already have one of those it appears. I really don't think there's a need for anything in between, or even a reasonable gap between the two to try and fit something.
At the same surface, I've found that the DDT and Phaze II hook the same number of boards. However, the DDT starts hooking earlier but is lazier on the back end than the Phaze II. The DDT is quintessential smooth while the Phaze II has back end punch not found in too many symmetrical solids.
Ultimately, there are times when either/or is the better choice. However, you cannot step down or step up to either/or. The ball motions are too dissimilar.
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I'd echo this and what northface said. DDT and Phaze 2 are shape differences, neither is a step down or up to the other, they're about as equal on total hook as two balls can be. The IQ Tour Solid would be more of a true step down, and you already have one of those it appears. I really don't think there's a need for anything in between, or even a reasonable gap between the two to try and fit something.
At the same surface, I've found that the DDT and Phaze II hook the same number of boards. However, the DDT starts hooking earlier but is lazier on the back end than the Phaze II. The DDT is quintessential smooth while the Phaze II has back end punch not found in too many symmetrical solids.
Ultimately, there are times when either/or is the better choice. However, you cannot step down or step up to either/or. The ball motions are too dissimilar.
Thanks everyone! DDT will be passed on.
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You already have a Phaze II.
I was thinking of complementing it with a Dare Devil Trick or similar symmetric for times when the Phaze II is checking too hard off the spot still. My solid asym is currently a BW Red Legend Solid 20 x 4 x 70 P3 hole.
You have about 3 balls that would fit better than a DDT.
Not a fan of the DDT, Northface?
It’s a great ball, just not what I’d reach for if moving off a Phaze II.
nf28,
What would be your suggestions...hoping I already have one of your recommendations :)
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As Mo P likes to remind people all balls are asym after being drilled. Just realized you can easily get any symmetric ball with the right drilling up to .02 to .025 int diff especially if add a double thumb hole. That is route I am taking on my Venom Shock as already have an IQ Tour drilled fairly mild to fall back on. I may end up retroactively putting a double thumb on several balls I already have drilled. Drilling really helps those of us on the ends of the spectrum as far as speed (me) or rev dominant imo. Added that far too late to my game. Oh well.
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I'd echo this and what northface said. DDT and Phaze 2 are shape differences, neither is a step down or up to the other, they're about as equal on total hook as two balls can be. The IQ Tour Solid would be more of a true step down, and you already have one of those it appears. I really don't think there's a need for anything in between, or even a reasonable gap between the two to try and fit something.
At the same surface, I've found that the DDT and Phaze II hook the same number of boards. However, the DDT starts hooking earlier but is lazier on the back end than the Phaze II. The DDT is quintessential smooth while the Phaze II has back end punch not found in too many symmetrical solids.
Ultimately, there are times when either/or is the better choice. However, you cannot step down or step up to either/or. The ball motions are too dissimilar.
Thanks everyone! DDT will be passed on.
Dont get it twisted, if you want to buy a ball, be my guest, lol. DDT just isnt the optimal choice.
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As Mo P likes to remind people all balls are asym after being drilled. Just realized you can easily get any symmetric ball with the right drilling up to .02 to .025 int diff especially if add a double thumb hole. That is route I am taking on my Venom Shock as already have an IQ Tour drilled fairly mild to fall back on. I may end up retroactively putting a double thumb on several balls I already have drilled. Drilling really helps those of us on the ends of the spectrum as far as speed (me) or rev dominant imo. Added that far too late to my game. Oh well.
Double Thumb= Double Flare for me personally. The ball flares too much and im stuck with a ball ill rarely use.
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You already have a Phaze II.
I was thinking of complementing it with a Dare Devil Trick or similar symmetric for times when the Phaze II is checking too hard off the spot still. My solid asym is currently a BW Red Legend Solid 20 x 4 x 70 P3 hole.
You have about 3 balls that would fit better than a DDT.
Not a fan of the DDT, Northface?
It’s a great ball, just not what I’d reach for if moving off a Phaze II.
nf28,
What would be your suggestions...hoping I already have one of your recommendations :)
Marvel Pearl or No Rules Pearl, depending on the motion you want. If you cant go left to right just yet, the Marvel Pearl gets the nod.
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I'd echo this and what northface said. DDT and Phaze 2 are shape differences, neither is a step down or up to the other, they're about as equal on total hook as two balls can be. The IQ Tour Solid would be more of a true step down, and you already have one of those it appears. I really don't think there's a need for anything in between, or even a reasonable gap between the two to try and fit something.
At the same surface, I've found that the DDT and Phaze II hook the same number of boards. However, the DDT starts hooking earlier but is lazier on the back end than the Phaze II. The DDT is quintessential smooth while the Phaze II has back end punch not found in too many symmetrical solids.
Ultimately, there are times when either/or is the better choice. However, you cannot step down or step up to either/or. The ball motions are too dissimilar.
Thanks everyone! DDT will be passed on.
Dont get it twisted, if you want to buy a ball, be my guest, lol. DDT just isnt the optimal choice.
Haha na. I don't honestly need the piece and sometimes I look for my notion to pass on it get seconded. I think I'll have a dynamic enough setup that any pattern I encounter at a tournament should be manageable. If not, I'm probably executing poorly.
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As Mo P likes to remind people all balls are asym after being drilled. Just realized you can easily get any symmetric ball with the right drilling up to .02 to .025 int diff especially if add a double thumb hole. That is route I am taking on my Venom Shock as already have an IQ Tour drilled fairly mild to fall back on. I may end up retroactively putting a double thumb on several balls I already have drilled. Drilling really helps those of us on the ends of the spectrum as far as speed (me) or rev dominant imo. Added that far too late to my game. Oh well.
Double Thumb= Double Flare for me personally. The ball flares too much and im stuck with a ball ill rarely use.
Probably true for most folks but after going max flare layout on a More Cash and seeing I can use no problems on THS realize I need as aggressive layout as possible on all but my dry balls. More flare still doesnt equal a big amount of movement for me and the int diff helps my lack of hand on the backend.