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KDawg77

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Some of you have already heard this...
« on: July 10, 2007, 03:22:19 AM »
I got this from a friend who sits on our local board:

"Bottom line from the people at USBC is that they are going to make bowling a sport vice a recreational event that it has been most of these years.  Yes the talk is with USBC making all lanes use the sport shot.

This info came from the USBC annual meeting that Rick Fortin attended.

Bowling is going to be fashioned after the sport of golf and tennis.

I think there is more on bowl.com."

Back to me: I can't imagine going all sport shot. Yikes!
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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #16 on: July 10, 2007, 02:19:41 PM »
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but I can't wrap my brain around why every league would end up that way when there are so many that has bowlers who don't want anything besides some organized recreation out of the game.


Me niether. Especially when USBC just said we don't have to do zero lineage checks anymore.  How are they going to make sure that each league has a sport condition on it?  Many small associations don't even have the equipment to do that or the newer oilers to put the pattern out.

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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #17 on: July 10, 2007, 02:20:36 PM »
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but I can't wrap my brain around why every league would end up that way when there are so many that has bowlers who don't want anything besides some organized recreation out of the game.


Me niether. Especially when USBC just said we don't have to do zero lineage checks anymore.  How are they going to make sure that each league has a sport condition on it?  Many small associations don't even have the equipment to do that or the newer oilers to put the pattern out.

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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #18 on: July 10, 2007, 02:31:54 PM »
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Will a bowler feel a sense of accomplishment when he/she shoots an honor score during a non-sport league session this season?


Not to get off track, but I sure as heck will.  I don't care what the conditions are, none of my balls have given me a 300.

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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #19 on: July 10, 2007, 02:38:13 PM »
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but I can't wrap my brain around why every league would end up that way when there are so many that has bowlers who don't want anything besides some organized recreation out of the game.


What I can't understand is why you can't organize and have fun while still bowling on these conditions.  I have only been bowling for little more than a year and it's actually not that bad.  Yes, the number will go down but it is just a number.  It's still bowling and your friends are still there.
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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #20 on: July 10, 2007, 02:41:40 PM »
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but I can't wrap my brain around why every league would end up that way when there are so many that has bowlers who don't want anything besides some organized recreation out of the game.


What I can't understand is why you can't organize and have fun while still bowling on these conditions.  I have only been bowling for little more than a year and it's actually not that bad.  Yes, the number will go down but it is just a number.  It's still bowling and your friends are still there.
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Fluff,

You and I know many bowlers with delusions of grandeur and will probably quit if the conditions are soft like many houses are right now. Unlike me, who knows he's general a 160-170 average on a sport shot and can be a 200+ on THS. I'll take my lumps, but many prima donnas won't
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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2007, 02:53:05 PM »
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Fluff,

You and I know many bowlers with delusions of grandeur and will probably quit if the conditions are soft like many houses are right now. Unlike me, who knows he's general a 160-170 average on a sport shot and can be a 200+ on THS. I'll take my lumps, but many prima donnas won't


Yeah but let's take that guy who you say will quit.  If every other bowler is going through the same thing they won't be the only one having problems right?  If they really love bowling, I don't think they would quit.  Or at least, I don't think they would be able to stay away for long.

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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2007, 03:59:50 PM »
From the latest BJI- Jeff Carter, the best bowler in Springfield, Ill., says bowling has lost it's popularity because it's no longer challenging. "I'm a world record holder, and I'm the first one to admit it got too easy," said Carter, who competes on the Denny's PBA Tour and holds the USBC record for the highest league average (261.74). Carter's remarks were carried in the June 9 edition of the Springfield State Journal Register, with Bruce Rushton reporting.

       I'm all for it, after all what's the point of averaging a 220+ on an easy THS and going to a tourney and barely being able to toss a 500 series. If throwing on a sport shot all the time will make me a better bowler and make the leagues more competitive, to me that's what it's all about. Yeah, some guys will quit, and some will complain a lot, but it will be better in the long run. I know guys that can barely break a 90 in 18 holes of golf but they LOVE it and when they bowl a 160 game they HATE bowling. Go figure!
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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2007, 04:01:38 PM »
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once again, another idea that will never happen.  

Bowling, just like everything else, is a business.  If they went to a sport shot in every single league, about 60+% of bowlers would quit.  Imagine if the house hack....u know the guy, basically lives in the bowling alley, works there, only bowls in the 1 center, but averages 230.  This is the guy that wont bowl anything outside of the center, cause he averages 180 elsewhere.  These people will quit all together.

The number of people that want a challenge on the lanes is an insanely small number in comparison to the guys that want to bowl 1 league a week & average 190-200.  

I think a better idea to make bowling more of a sport, is to make sure that every center has at least ONE sport shot/PBA league.  We have 1 sport league in all of houston as far as i know.  There is another center that will put out PBA & regional shots on certain days for practice, but not in league.

Shawn


I agree with this. I love bowling on sport conditions but 95% of the other bowlers in my area don't. I would like to see them do the one mandatory sport league though, the closest sport league to me is around 100 plus miles away.
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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2007, 07:55:17 AM »
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Most others are there to have fun.


I can safely say that the PBA Experience league is quite fun and no I am not a top average bowler.  There is a shot there you just can't spray it all over the place.  I don't see why that is a bad thing or not fun.  I think it is more fun when you have to actually focus on what you are doing.  If most people would just try it they would probably find that they like it as well.

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On the other hand, sport shots are going to make it so the 185-200 average bowlers are NEVER competitive with the better players.


While I will agree that the top guys on THS seem to still be the top guys in the sport conditions (for the most part-not all) only with lower averages, I disagree that 185-200 average bowlers will NEVER compete with them.  I have definitely beaten the crap out of guys who previously averaged 40+ pins higher than me on these PBA shots week after week.  The difference is that they can't string as many strikes together and they get dinged with splits they can't make.  This brings them back down to a beatable level.  If you can stay clean and keep getting good pocket hits, you can actually win.  On this type of shot it seems more like an accuracy and consistency contest instead of a revs contest to me.  I am just tired of losing to people on THS shots that have weak form and balance and just rev the crap out of the ball and let the lane do the work.  Revs and accuracy?  Ok, you deserve to win if you can avoid going through the nose and leaving open frames for me.

Also, if they do have a better physical game why should you be able to compete with them?  You shouldn't be able to compete with them until you also get the good physical game as well.  I thought that was the other point of the sport shots.  I don't see a problem with that.

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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2007, 08:01:43 AM »
anything that will improve my game is welcome...
and after all everyone has to face the same condition.. though the "straight forward" bowlers here then have a real advantage!

Whatever... This won't ever happen here in Germany... every Bowling center has its own pattern more or less THS sometimes oily... sometimes no oil at all...


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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2007, 09:23:16 AM »
What I think you'll see happen is a house put down a sport shot for certification, then slowly back off to a more standard house shot as the weeks go by.

Case in point is our current summer league. It started out much more difficult that our fall league, because the house was playing with the shot and trying to take some of the wall bounce out of it. They did just that, and averages as a whole were down 10-20 pins across the board.

Then, the bowlers started griping, and last night I was +90 for a set. Many of the other bowlers had similar results. Could have been just an easy night, but one of the association officials said the house had been under a lot of pressure to ease the shot somewhat.

I'd be happy with this move acting as one extreme, the current rules acting as the other, and for us all to eventually wind up somewhere in the middle for standard house shots. It's too easy now but everything doesn't need to be sport.

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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2007, 10:38:23 AM »
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What I think you'll see happen is a house put down a sport shot for certification, then slowly back off to a more standard house shot as the weeks go by.

Case in point is our current summer league. It started out much more difficult that our fall league, because the house was playing with the shot and trying to take some of the wall bounce out of it. They did just that, and averages as a whole were down 10-20 pins across the board.

Then, the bowlers started griping, and last night I was +90 for a set. Many of the other bowlers had similar results. Could have been just an easy night, but one of the association officials said the house had been under a lot of pressure to ease the shot somewhat.

I'd be happy with this move acting as one extreme, the current rules acting as the other, and for us all to eventually wind up somewhere in the middle for standard house shots. It's too easy now but everything doesn't need to be sport.

Jess


I just boils down that the bowlers and the local associations need to stay on top of things. As a bowler, if I noticed a shot was getting easy, then I would notify the association. Then the association should do a random testing of the lanes. We need to hold ourselves and the house accountable.

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Atochabsh

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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #28 on: July 11, 2007, 01:10:19 PM »
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As a bowler, if I noticed a shot was getting easy, then I would notify the association. Then the association should do a random testing of the lanes. We need to hold ourselves and the house accountable.


Even when USBC had a zero lineage check requirement getting them to be 100% random was extremely difficult.  YOu'd go out to the house early in the morning and no one would be there that could run the oil machine.  Or you'd go before leagues and they didn't want you to interfere or possibly cause their leagues to get a late start.  

Now USBC says we don't have to do zero lineage except once a year.  Keep in mind that the association directors are 100% volunteers.  Yet we run all over the city sometimes 3 to 4 times to the same house, trying to get the tapes that were required.  Its rare that a center has their own equipment to take and read the tapes.  

Why would a house shoot itself in the foot by making all its lane conditions more difficult then the center that's just 5 miles down the road?  Now if that center is the only game in town, then they have a captive audience of bowlers.  

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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2007, 06:22:12 PM »
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I got this from a friend who sits on our local board:

"Bottom line from the people at USBC is that they are going to make bowling a sport vice a recreational event that it has been most of these years.  Yes the talk is with USBC making all lanes use the sport shot.


I am not commenting on the appropriateness of this idea, one way or the other, but ...

If this happens, bowling will lose more bowlers than all the state smoking bans and a $50 per night bowling fee combined.

If this happens, you will hear more whining than in all the vineyards of France and California, at harvest time, put together! There won't be enough cheese in Michigan,, Wisconsin, New York and Vermont put together to drink with all that w(h)ine.
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Re: Some of you have already heard this...
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2007, 09:51:36 PM »
All I have to say is this.. BRING IT I don't care what my average is it means little in the modern game anyway.

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