Well I have only been bowling for a year and a half, so I can't comment on balls I miss. However, I can comment on balls I wish I was around for. I saw a guy pull out a Ebonite V2 Sanded this weekend and proceed to shoot 770, 715. This ball looked like it rolled up early and smooth and absolutely exploded the rack. He also told me he has a 823 with this ball. Wow.