For me, even with the pin above (smaller VAL angle) and with polish, the Shout Green had as mild as a breakpoint as many of my urethanes. But being an RG solid, it still handled more oil than the all the newer urethanes I have or had. I have the current Blue Hammer and what I just described hods true for it. I don't have the Pitch Black, but I feel the Shout would still handle more oil at the same grit level.