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J_w73

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Creating increased forward revs..
« on: February 16, 2010, 08:05:00 AM »
What is the technique to use to create high forward revs? Seems to be easier to create revs around the ball just from the natural position and motion of the hand.
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Re: Creating increased forward revs..
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 06:39:47 PM »
I have been working on staying behind the ball more a lot lately (note my video in the vids section) and for me I feel it is mostly about wrist/forearm position.

Taking a quick look at my vid of my release (even though its hard to really see much) I can try and explain what I mean... In my "before" you can tell that my forearm starts to really go around the side of the ball early, being before the point of release, and my wrist "snaps" in a fashion following my forearm, giving me roughly 50 degrees axis rotation.
In the "after" you can tell that all I really did was delay the movement of my forearm, making it much closer to the point of release, my wrist again follows and "snaps" through the ball, but is now more of a fanning action on the inside of the ball with my fingers guiding the rotation, rather than my wrist being already on the side of the ball making that decide the direction of the rotation. ALSO because my "unload" phase of my release is now more behind the ball rather than on the side my rev rate has actually increased by about 10rpms...

SO... I think your goal should lie in the angles of your release, not really changing your release at all, as generally when you try to go more forward your rev rate will go down (at least it always did for me). Rather than trying to go up the back work on the location as well as direction of your release... this will hopefully not change your rev rate yet, after practice, keep you more up the back of the ball.

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Re: Creating increased forward revs..
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2010, 08:55:40 PM »
I've been working on this lately with mixed results.I've been trying to get the ball past hooking heads with out lofting and came up with more forward roll on the ball.I can change my track from 1"-11/2" from thumb and fingers to right up the edge of the holes. the ball rolls through the heads great and hook fairly hard but with much less angle and still hits good but I have to work on this more before I become comfortable.
the way I do this is simple.I stay behind the ball as I always do but at release I try to roll a back up ball.my wrist won't allow me to roll a back up but it dose raise the track high and creates plenty of forward revs.
just how I do it,hope it helps.
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Re: Creating increased forward revs..
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2010, 05:43:44 AM »
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I have been working on staying behind the ball more a lot lately (note my video in the vids section) and for me I feel it is mostly about wrist/forearm position.


+1. You already achieve more roll when you just stay behind the ball instead of turning the hand violently. The latter creates a rather spinning motion - lots of revs, but little power and finish.
With the hand behind the ball, the ball rather rolls (and the track is higher, by tendency), and from there you can add revs through a cupped wrist, curling the fingers and moving the hand outwards. Sometimes, tucking the pinky also adds some punch.

This extra effort is futile, though, if, for example, timing is bad, or you try to make a ball do something it was not designed or set up for. There's more to bowling than just revs

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Re: Creating increased forward revs..
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2010, 12:28:44 AM »
ok forward roll and more revs

obviously u have to have a decent amount of rotation on the ball, otherwise u need some side rotation to help u to carry.

i remember from one coaching video where norm duke was explaining about the momentum during swing, and he said something like, to achieve a forward roll, make sure ur starting position at an easy position, and about the weight of the ball in both hands. then the most important part is that during ur SWING, the ball doesnt turn at ALL, so theres no side momentum comming when u reach at the bottom. a good example would be norm himself, or WRW, a bad example would be TJ or Jeff Carter, what TJ does at the top of the backswing is not what u want for forward roll. so, top of the backswing cupped but not sideway, u could even try no cupping to have a similar release to norm's. stay behind the ball and let go, be nice with it.


on a side note, the best to watch is going to be obviously Chris Barnes, his wrist doesnt change much during swing, but what dictates his swing is the angle of his wrist at the beginning of the approach. when CB plays deep inside, his wrist is more towards his left, when hes playing straight, then he has a cupped but vertical position.
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Re: Creating increased forward revs..
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2010, 01:14:25 AM »
I'm trying to work on this also.  As the weeks go by, I see less and less reason to have side roll(for me at least).
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Re: Creating increased forward revs..
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2010, 05:17:09 AM »
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I have found that the best way to get people to do the correct thing with their right hand is to get them to focus on what their left hand is doing.  Really it does not have to be their left hand they just need to be focused on something other then their right hand.  Most people focus primarily on what their right (bowling) hand is doing.  This causes them to do all kind of bad things.  Focusing on other things lets gravity and momentum take over and they become more consistent and overall better bowlers.


I didn't realize that, but I have to agree.  I've been focusing on the position of my non-throwing hand lately because of balance problems, and my release has improved significantly.  I didn't realize that my focusing on something other than my release has improved my release...I just though it naturally came from having better balance.
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Re: Creating increased forward revs..
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2010, 08:11:37 AM »
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Keep the wrist cupped and stay behind the ball as long as you can .. its that simple.

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It is a little more complex then that.. if you don't get more revs than what the  speed of the ball and lane will put on it through a natural roll then you aren't going to get much movement.  atleast from what I have seen .. if I just come up the back of the ball and let the ball roll off my hand I'm gonna get a 3 or 4 board hook at the most.. I have seen guys that seem to have 0 side rotation rev the crap out of the ball and the ball will still cover the lane..
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