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stormerjip

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Spare ball or no spare ball
« on: July 22, 2003, 05:48:55 PM »
I just wanted to see what kind of response there might be on this.  I don't believe in using a spare ball because I can get the ball to go just as straight as a plastic ball.  I might not get as many spares as i should but i didn't when i tried to use the spare ball.  i just don't see why to take an extra ball when u can just flatten ur wrist and go just as straight on the balls.
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Re: Spare ball or no spare ball
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2003, 03:24:55 PM »
Bowlme300:

 For me the key to scoring better, is to make things as easy as possible. For me to use my strike ball and use a very different release just doesn't work well. On the approach I'm thinking about my release and all of the sudden I got 4 or 5 thoughts running through my head. I got a multi-pin spare its 9 out more times then not. With a plastic ball the ball goes straight, you have very little dought about making the spare. For me its all about repeating every shot , the less stuff on my mental check list the better I bowl. Just my opinion.

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Re: Spare ball or no spare ball
« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2003, 12:37:09 AM »
My average has improved immensely with a spare ball.

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Re: Spare ball or no spare ball
« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2003, 09:45:56 PM »
I throw a plastic for two reasons.

   It goes straighter (more predictable) but the other reason which makes more sense to me is it is one less throw with my strike ball and extending the life of my strike ball. It is a lot cheaper to replace a spare ball.
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Re: Spare ball or no spare ball
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2003, 05:35:13 PM »
If you're a serious tournament player definitely a spare ball.
Either plastic or an older urethane ball.
For most league type situations you can/could flatten out your hand position.

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Re: Spare ball or no spare ball
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2003, 05:58:21 PM »
I'm in complete agreement with stormerjip's post that started this thread.  I come straight up the back of the ball when I shoot at most spares, giving the ball zero axis rotation.  If the ball has zero axis rotation, it will not change direction.  Spare shooting is actually the strength of my game.  

I have no problem with people using plastic spare balls if it helps them, unless they leave them on the ball return, or delay other bowlers while they wait for it to come back so that they can remove it from the ball return.  If using a spare ball, I think the bowler should just remove his strike ball from the rack before going for the spare, and then remove the spare ball the next time he goes up to shoot a strike.  I see messing around with spare balls cause a lot of delays that are unnecessary.

The main thing that mystifies me about the need for spare balls is that I see lots and lots of pretty casual talk on this board about changing axis tilt and axis rotation as necessary to strike; as if doing those two things is something that every real bowler can do.  If that's true, then what's so difficult about zero axis rotation?

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Re: Spare ball or no spare ball
« Reply #21 on: July 27, 2003, 06:00:55 PM »
I'm an advocate in having a "designated spare ball" however it doesn't have to be plastic.  Just something that feels comfortable that you are comfortable throwing at single pins that you feel you will make all of your spare with.  Personally, I use my Ebonite Tiger(in the past I have used a plastic ball, stinger 2 piece, matrix dynasty, pearl claw all for spares).  The Tiger is a big hooking skid/flip ball for me on the right conditions but the way I flatten out the ball for all of my single pins, core and coverstock are basically taken out of play(ala Norm Duke) since the ball goes straight as an arrow.  I just feel that that ball always feels the best in my hands when I shoot at my left or right side spares.

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Re: Spare ball or no spare ball
« Reply #22 on: July 27, 2003, 08:00:10 PM »
Well, so far, one factor that does not seem to have been addresses (I might have missed one post) is that I don't want more wear and tear on my expensive balls. Plastic balls, except for the XXXL, are cheap. Since most spare shots cross the middle of the lane, I also don't want more oil than necessary saoking into (Thanks, Doc! and Thanks, Phil Cardinale!) or even coming into contact with my resin and particle surfaces.

Unless you're throwing 10 or 11 strikes per game (and I am not), that's a lot of wear and tear on expensive balls rather than plastic balls.

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Re: Spare ball or no spare ball
« Reply #23 on: July 27, 2003, 09:00:23 PM »
charlest, you make a good point.  Another reason that I prefer to stick to the same ball, however, is that it feels the same on my hand.  I spend a lot of time working to keep the thumbholes feeling the same on all of my bowling balls, but a change to another ball still feels different and risks throwing me off.  I think maybe it has to do with the skin oil and/or sweat that is present on the ball being thrown the most versus the other one.  Nevertheless, ball life is a significant consideration.  On the other hand, I'm obsessive about ball coverstock maintenance and I've never really noticed that a ball has died on me yet.  My latest acquisition is a 1/2 HP Vertex ball spinner, so my coverstock maintenance regimen has just improved.  My wife says that when she gardens, she just gets lost in the whole process and achieves great focus and peace.  I told her that that is what happens to me when I'm cleaning and prepping my bowling balls.  She thinks I'm nuts, but she keeps it--mostly--to herself.

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Re: Spare ball or no spare ball
« Reply #24 on: July 27, 2003, 10:02:36 PM »
Shiv,

I agree 110% about ball feel; that is why I am obsessive about the size and drilling of my thumb. Even in today's practice (very humid & hot day here), I can't tell you how many piece of tape I went through on just 3 balls over only 4 games. Feel is everything.

Still, it's not just oil, it's also wear and tear on the track. The strike ball is still going to wear out sooner. That said, it was just something that I felt needed saying.

My main reason for using a plastic ball for spares is that it's easier to be more accurate when you take most of the lane oil out of play and/or throw a smaller or non-existent hook. I usually throw my Blue Dot slower than my strike ball; it helps me to be more accurate with spares. A hard plastic will still hook somewhat on dry lanes or on dry parts. I have a minor problem with my arm and hand and find it very difficult to throw a ball end over end; in fact, almost impossible. Due to this fact, a Blue Dot-type of spare ball is almost an essential for me.
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Re: Spare ball or no spare ball
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2003, 12:09:34 AM »
I can see where someone could have a problem throwing a ball end over end.  Fortunately, it comes rather naturally to me.  

My anchor man, who is the only cranker on our team and one of very few in the whole league, can crank it in the opposite direction.  He goes coast to coast as his normal shot, and then can throw close to coast to coast in the opposite direction (mega-back up ball) when shooting for the 10 pin.  People stop and watch when they see he has to shoot for a 10 pin.  It's amazing.  My arm hurts when I attempt to imitate it with nothing in my hand at all, much less a bowling ball.

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Re: Spare ball or no spare ball
« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2003, 08:30:43 AM »
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My anchor man, who is the only cranker on our team and one of very few in the whole league, can crank it in the opposite direction.  He goes coast to coast as his normal shot, and then can throw close to coast to coast in the opposite direction (mega-back up ball) when shooting for the 10 pin.  People stop and watch when they see he has to shoot for a 10 pin.  It's amazing.  My arm hurts when I attempt to imitate it with nothing in my hand at all, much less a bowling ball.
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fun to watch, for sure.
Although that may make it easier for him, a cranker, to make the opposite side's corner pins, the problem is he is still cutting across the oil with a hooking ball; so he is still subject to the whims and whimsies of the oil and the amount of hook he is throwing. I can do that, but it's still too unreliable, to my mind.
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Re: Spare ball or no spare ball
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2003, 08:40:43 AM »
Greatest sparemaker in the world uses plastic!
WRW.  That's one reason.

2nd reason.  I happen to bowl with a guy that might be up in the top 5 or 10 in the world in sparemaking.  A multiple time regional champ.  He throws at spares with resin.  Completely flattens and says he feels like he is throwing a backup ball.  I have noticed that after a string followed by a 10 pin(righty) and a resin ball spare that his strike percentage is invariably lower and release not as powerful.  He doesn't believe it!  The numbers in my head say that his strike ratio is cut by a third to slightly less than 1/2 after these spares.

He refuses to believe it and I can't get him to chart it or try a spare ball.
Good god he averaged in a righty friendly house near 240 last year!

I believe he is leaving close to 15 pins a with a weaker release after his resin corner pins release.

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Re: Spare ball or no spare ball
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2003, 10:39:50 AM »
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fun to watch, for sure.
Although that may make it easier for him, a cranker, to make the opposite side's corner pins, the problem is he is still cutting across the oil with a hooking ball; so he is still subject to the whims and whimsies of the oil and the amount of hook he is throwing. I can do that, but it's still too unreliable, to my mind.
 


It is unreliable.  Sometimes he just flattens it out when he goes for the 10 pin.  I don't know what criterion, if any, he uses to decide whether to reverse hook at it or go straight at it, but I wish he'd choose one and work on perfecting it.  He fits the cranker stereotype in the sense of being able to string impressive strikes, but then damage his scores with poor spare shooting.  He does not seem to be able to kill his hook, and when he goes straight at the 10 pin, he just uses high speed.  It seems strange to be able throw massive hook in either direction with the same hand, but not be able to throw a flat shot.  He is a prime candidate for a plastic spare ball, but he doesn't use one.  The bowler's mind is a mysterious thing.

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