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ccrider

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Spinning vs Staying Behind Ball Dry Lanes
« on: June 30, 2008, 05:03:20 AM »
I seem to be in the ever lasting struggle dealing with lanes that are dry.

Everyone talks about the merit of staying behind the ball and coming up the back of the ball. However, when the lanes get really dry in the heads, the only way that I can consistently get the ball down the lane is to spin the ball more to increase the skid down the lane. Doing this is marginally effective because of the crazy splits I sometimes leave when increasing side roll.

Yes, I can increase speed and loft and keep the ball right of the headpin, but it does not feel natural when doing this. I can also move inside and chase the oil but that is not my A game, and have problems carrying when I swing the ball.

Is there a "correct" way to approach this lane condition.
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Re: Spinning vs Staying Behind Ball Dry Lanes
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2008, 01:19:09 PM »
Dude

I have heard every theory in the books when the lanes are dry and the only one that might work is getting a ball with a weak cover stock drilled long.....

I hate dry lanes also...
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Big Columbia

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Re: Spinning vs Staying Behind Ball Dry Lanes
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2008, 01:28:00 PM »
If it's that burnt up, why not use PLASTIC...............
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LuckyLefty

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Re: Spinning vs Staying Behind Ball Dry Lanes
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2008, 01:29:30 PM »
I just watched this....


Controlling your hook


Your release

On lanes with bone dry heads and midlanes and sloppy backends....not easy....I tore it up for one of the first times with a label leverage drilled tropical storm.....(a little less thumb under palm lateral also than I use on a top hat!)  

SWEET high scoring!

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Dan Belcher

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Re: Spinning vs Staying Behind Ball Dry Lanes
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2008, 01:31:13 PM »
You have some options depending on just how dry the lanes are.  If they're truly burnt and everything hooks too much, plastic may be your best option.  However, there are other ways to do it.

Moving in and chasing the oil isn't your A game, but you need to have more than just an A game to be a good all-around bowler.  It might be a good idea to work with a coach on how to get more comfortable moving in deeper and hooking it more when the lanes call for it.  You may have to change your approach, swing, and release compared to playing more down and in or using just a small belly shot outside.

My personal best looks when the lanes start drying out (which isn't very often in my current leagues, actually) are moving left with a strong ball and keeping the ball in the oil as much as possible, or staying a little further right and using a weak hand position with a little more speed.  (Lowering your rev rate and getting the ball to tumble down the lane can help control the breakpoint but still retain some energy)

Here's a great example.  Walter Ray Williams Jr. vs Norm Duke, when Duke shot a 300.  There was some friction out there, and WRW moved in and hooked it, Duke took hand out of the ball and played the extreme outside edge of the lane.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m35DcQO6B1k (part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crHhhAN8TTU (part 2)
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mrbowlingnut

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Re: Spinning vs Staying Behind Ball Dry Lanes
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2008, 01:54:44 PM »
I prefer spinning myself keeps you more in the track area, chasing the oil line for me has always been about my C game not even B.
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Re: Spinning vs Staying Behind Ball Dry Lanes
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2008, 03:01:57 PM »
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Is there a "correct" way to approach this lane condition.
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As others have hinted, there is no one "correct" way to do it. It depends more on how effective with each method you are, BUT, do not attempt to follow a way justbecause it's convenient or easy. Following the oil is a way to follow transitions, any transitions, just just dry. Changing hand posiitons, allow some people to stay in their comfort area.

Spinning the ball is not bad, if you can also increase ball speed, because spinning causing more reaction at the backend and very often, overreaction. It becomes very hard to control the backend. The drying lane condition provides all the backend you need adding to that can create more problems. If you can handle those additional problems, then fine.

I believe, milder balls, changing hand positions, and following the oil line are the safest and best weapons in this "duel".
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ccrider

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Re: Spinning vs Staying Behind Ball Dry Lanes
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2008, 04:24:46 PM »
Thanks for the responses. They all are consistent with what I have been thinking. Different ways to adjust, and I need to master my B game.

At times I do o.k. going to a less aggressive ball, but carry down is usually an issue.

I think I will set up a couple of coaching sessions and try to sharpen my inside game.

CC
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Dan Belcher

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Re: Spinning vs Staying Behind Ball Dry Lanes
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2008, 05:58:14 PM »
Pearl balls can have trouble responding to carrydown.  You may have good results using a polished solid on drier conditions.

Also, don't forget to work on a B game, plus a C game and maybe even a D game.  Can't hurt to be ready whenever you need to get outside your comfort zone.  I've been forced to play anywhere between riding right up the 2 board to swinging over 22 at the arrows out to 5 at the breakpoint.  I'm not truly comfortable swinging it a bunch and covering a lot of boards, but sometimes it's what you have to do in order to score well.
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ccrider

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Re: Spinning vs Staying Behind Ball Dry Lanes
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2008, 06:05:56 PM »
You are right Dan. I need to work on being more versatile. The hardest thing in the world for me is to move inside, open up my shoulders, and swing the ball out.
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