Author Topic: Sponsorship = added $$ = tougher conditions for league.... your thoughts??? (Read 2034 times)

David Lee Yskes · « **on:** December 22, 2010, 03:33:18 PM »

So I was thinking of this after last weeks league... I know how some people are so hell bent on only bowling on easy conditions.... even if it's the only show in town..

But if you had a company sponsor your league and add in something like 3,000$ to the prize fund, would you care if you had to bowl on a tougher condition?

I say this because I was thinking of asking my "boss" if he's be interested in sponsoring our league for next year... ( not sure if the league would go for it anyways ) But the one thing i would want is for the lane condition to be tougher... IE one of the Kegel Challenge shots or a rotation of the Kegel Shots...

but its just a thought to all the guys who's only choice might be to bowl on the easier shots and know of guys who will only bowl on the easier shots...

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atltnpnr · « **Reply #1 on:** December 23, 2010, 12:27:52 AM »

It would be great if you could pull it off. I would bowl it but the people that count are the ones in your area. Take a quick survey at your house (only game in town). I would say 20% of the amount of bowlers you hope to get would be sufficient. Also let them know you don't have a sponsor yet just testing the waters at this point.
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Lane1Redneck · « **Reply #2 on:** December 23, 2010, 04:25:17 AM »

I know most of the bowlers in the league I'm in would cry the first chance they could if they would have to bowl on harder conditions. They'd be lost.. I wish one of the houses I bowled in would put a PBA or something similar out in the fall leagues, only time I've seen it is in the summer.. I'm looking forward to it again here soon..
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jdball299 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 23, 2010, 05:41:09 AM »

I've seen some leagues thrive with this and some leagues flop with this. One of the leages i was part of in 2000-2001 decided that since we were a mens scratch league sponsored by local businesses that we should bowl on tougher patterns. The officers came up with the idea, the league voted on it in the meeting two weeks prior to the league start. By week 3 there were so many complaints that we had another meeting with officers and captains to change the pattern from sport compliant to something between sport and house. We eventually became a sport compliant league, but the shock of the difficulty was apparently too much for most.
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Good Times Good Times · « **Reply #4 on:** December 23, 2010, 05:51:37 AM »

I personally (and am in the MINORITY here) would embrace the harder conditions. My favorite time bowling is when spares are at a premo and posting and repeating shots are an ABSOLUTE MUST!. Ego? Check it at the door. That is real bowling. AND, there is actually a reason to bring a few balls other than the THS bag.

Unfortunatley, the "many" probably wouldn't accept this, BUT it could make or break a league. If the pattern were my call for a league like this, i'd go with like a 4:1 pattern, something scoreable but demanding of good shots.
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Russell · « **Reply #5 on:** December 23, 2010, 06:37:07 AM »

Great idea...but these days are past us unless USBC forces conditions tougher. Think about a typical men's league...who's in it?

If it has 150 bowlers....how many average over 210?....20?...30 maybe?

So the other 120ish aren't highly skilled...and would probably freak out if their averages went from 199 to 167. They don't buy 7 balls a year, and their one trip to something tough each year is a donation to the USBC Nationals.

Even the 30 or so that are higher skilled, most don't want or care about what they are bowling on. Contrary to popular belief, most league bowlers don't crave a challenge. They just want to come in, hang with friends, and enjoy a night out. The people that actually DO want a challenge and care about prize money being added to a prize fund aren't enough to make up a whole league.
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trash heap · « **Reply #6 on:** December 23, 2010, 07:33:04 AM »

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Even the 30 or so that are higher skilled, most don't want or care about what they are bowling on. Contrary to popular belief, most league bowlers don't crave a challenge. They just want to come in, hang with friends, and enjoy a night out. The people that actually DO want a challenge and care about prize money being added to a prize fund aren't enough to make up a whole league.

To add how many of the bowlers in the league have ball arsenals. I could see quite a few guys complaining about not wanting to buy 3 - 4 balls just to compete in the league.

Jorge300 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 23, 2010, 07:44:40 AM »

I, for one, would be all for it.

In our summer league, we have had for the past 3-4 years, a sports challenge shot. The first year we rotated between the USBC Open Pattern, and a few PBA Patterns. Then we did the Kegel Challenge patterns. Last year we did the PBA Senior Masters Pattern, USBC Open Pattern, one of the new Kegel Challenge Patterns (I forgot the name, sorry) and then Highway to Hell. The high average in the league has been between 205-210 most of the time (and that is from a former PBA professional) until last year where the averages were higher. The league is 3 person teams and limited to 24-26 teams because of another league in the house....and every year the house has to turn away teams. So there are bowlers out there willing to do it, at least in the short term.
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TheGame300 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 23, 2010, 08:03:32 AM »

Around here, it would probably get a large turnout for the 1st year but after everyone bowled on the tougher conditions and struggled to average 170, they would quit and go back to their easy shots. For most people the frustration isn't worth the extra money.

Case in point is the PBA doubles league I bowl in. First year out, we had 20 teams. 5 years later, we have 10 and are lucky to have that.
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ccrider · « **Reply #9 on:** December 23, 2010, 08:18:24 AM »

No can do around here. IF the shot changes just a little, the big bowlers for the most part whine and threaten to quit.

We have a stepladder once every three months or so that puts out a difficult shot. Participation has dwindled to less then 40 percent of the normal turnout. Great idea, just would not work for most of the "good" bowlers.
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mainzer · « **Reply #10 on:** December 23, 2010, 08:37:04 AM »

I would be for it. I love th challenge I love grinding out a small six on a tough pattern.

Problem is as Russel said it just wont happen.
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9andaWiggle · « **Reply #11 on:** December 23, 2010, 10:01:41 AM »

Personally, I like the idea with or without the extra money. However, what you'll probably find is 5 or 6 guys that are gung-ho and would love it, and the rest would be split between the high avg. bowlers that would bemoan the low avg. bowlers beating them and taking all the money with handicap (because it would be harder to shoot lights out against them) and the lower average bowlers that would bemoan the high avg. bowlers beating them and taking all the money because they aren't good enough to compete on tougher conditions. *Sigh*

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ccrider · « **Reply #12 on:** December 23, 2010, 11:50:32 AM »

Low average bowlers throw plastic and will beat a lot of the house hacks on a tough shot. Oil does not effect plastic much. Lot of fun to watch actually.

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Strider · « **Reply #13 on:** December 23, 2010, 12:16:43 PM »

I would imaging most serious bowlers would love the chance for extra money even if it meant lower scores.

Like others have hinted at, you'd have to look at the make up of the league. If it's mostly serious bowlers, I don't think you'd have any problems. If you have a bunch of beginners throwing more or less straight balls, again you'd be fine. If, like most leagues, you have mostly 150-190 average bowlers, they'd freak if the great wall were to crumble.

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I say this because I was thinking of asking my "boss" if he's be interested in sponsoring our league for next year... ( not sure if the league would go for it anyways ) But the one thing i would want is for the lane condition to be tougher... IE one of the Kegel Challenge shots or a rotation of the Kegel Shots...
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On a side note, if your boss is the one potentially kicking in more money (assuming he's not a bowler - just a sponsor), why do you have the choice of lane condition? Sounds to me like you might be trying to move the odds in your favor.

If you want the same league to participate, you'd better at least make it extremely obvious that a new lane condition would be used. Maybe see if the house can put out one of the Kegel patterns for practice to see if the league members would accept it.
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APheLion · « **Reply #14 on:** December 23, 2010, 12:43:02 PM »

u will have to adjust handicap system if its a sportshot

it's sportshot because its supposed to be played without handicap, otherwise high handicap bowlers will have a better chance
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