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MichiganBowling

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Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« on: June 30, 2004, 08:59:06 PM »
With sport bowling on the rise in the state of Michigan, would any of you Michiganders or midwestern bowlers (or anybody else for that matter) participate in a Sport Bowling National Championship event?  No I'm not talking about singles/doubles/team format, because ABC Nationals and WIBC Nationals are pretty close to sport shot and may indeed be a sport shot.

One idea would be to hold local qualifiers around the country.  Up here in Michigan, we could probably hold 2-3 qualifiers or even just one big qualifier for the whole state.  If we held 3, we could hold one in Kalamzoo or Grand Rapids, one in northern Metro Detroit or Waterford, and one way up north for the northern bowlers, possibly in Cheboygan, Gaylord, or Traverse City.  I suppose a 4th one could be added for U.P. bowlers maybe in the center of the U.P.

The national championship event would include qualifying games for seeding purposes and possibly to cut to a round number like 64 or something.  Then best 2 out of 3 matches or even single game elimination matches could take place.

Is $70 a good price for this tournament?  If we could find sponsors to cover the lineage at the championship event, then maybe we could charge even less, like $50-$60.

What do you guys and gals think?  I don't want to know if you think others would bowl in it, I want to know if YOU would bowl in it.
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Re: Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2004, 12:54:35 PM »
Ok, did some number crunching...

With a $70 entry fee, I figure 1 in 5 could get their $70 back with 1 in 10 moving on to the national championship event.

If we had only 20 squads nationwide at an average of 50 bowlers per qualifier, we would have 1000 bowlers with 100 qualifying for the championship.

Prize List
1ST PLACE--$6000
2ND PLACE--$3000
3RD-4TH--$1500 apiece
5TH-8TH--$1000 apiece
9TH-16TH--$750 apiece
17TH-32ND--$500 apiece
33RD-64TH--$250 apiece
65TH-100TH--$150 apiece

Each bowler that qualifies for the championship would also get a $25-$100 gas card depending on how far they have to drive, and a free hotel stay at a local hotel.  These items would be paid for from the $20 expense/bowler take from entry fee.  The other $50 would go toward prize fund.  All lineage would be donated by the centers as sponsorsorships from local businesses would cover the lineage costs.  Real tournament expenses such as promotion and director costs should be covered by USBC (merged sanctioning organization) and local chapters.

All qualifiers would be 6-game total pinfall.  Championship would consist of a Saturday 6-game qualifier to cut to the top 16, 32, 64, or 128.  Sunday would be all match play elimination matches.  Perhaps the first 2 rounds would be best 2 out of 3 with each round after being single game elimination.

And of course...all qualifying and match play would be on sport shots!!!

Sound like fun?

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Re: Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2004, 02:25:40 PM »
Sounds great. I'm assuming the shot(s) would be determined ahead of time, and approved?

Also - I assume you would require a sport sanction from each bowler.
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Re: Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2004, 03:01:39 PM »
Of course the tournament would be sport sanctioned and the lanes would be certified.  As far as pre-determined lane conditions, I am not sure that should be assumed.  Some discussion on this subject would be nice.  2 schools of thought--knowing what the shot will be before hand and practicing on the shot in a different house could be a curse as the different oils and lane surfaces can make the shot totally different from center to center.  We would then be accused of "not putting the right shot out" and lying to people prior to the tournament.  

On the other hand, knowing approximately what type of equipment to bring could be a good thing.  I figure if nobody knows the shot and we limit all qualifying and championship rounds to maybe only 6 balls or even fewer, then it should be fair for everybody.  Those who own pro shops or that are on pro staffs would not have an advantage over the rest of us.

I suppose we could find a happy medium and tell people the distance that the shot will be oiled and make sure they realize that it could play very differently than the same shot might play in their local center.

Each qualifying center could either put out the same shots, or put out whatever sport shot they want.  Again, discussion would be good on this subject.

Perhaps this thread can be a discussion thread, and then I can ask at a later date if people would in fact participate once we get everything figured out.

If USBC were to help cover the costs of promoting the tournament and running the tournament, then yes, we would absolutely make the $9 sport sanction mandatory for all bowlers.  If they did not help, then we would not make the sanction fee mandatory.  Fairly simple concept there.

Thanks for the good points mumzie.
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Re: Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2004, 07:39:34 PM »
Im in... and usually a donater. I just wanna bowl and find out how much better I can become. Where do you sign up!

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Re: Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2004, 12:44:27 AM »
Obviously the sport shots will play out differently from house to house...... for that reason i dont see how you could predetermine the shot....  as long as its sport compliant then that is all the matters...  since u have alot of qualifing houses then it will be allmost rediculus to predetermine the shot.  

also   how many qualifing houses will there be?  perhaps 1 house in each state or 1 house in each association...  and then after the the 1 house in each association you make a cut  and take the remaining bowlers and take them to one house each state  then go to region then go to national?  ex......  take top 10 from each association and go to the state qualifier...  cut to top 10 in each state  to go to regional qualifer,  depending on the number of regions make a cut to either 32 or 64  and then  go to national championship and bowl matchplay double elimination till there is a winner.......  

as far as sanctioning goes, i think all bowlers should be sport bowling sanctioned prior to bowling.....
 
as far as limiting equipment, i would limit to 8 or 10 balls....  ifthe shot isnt pre determined, then bowlers should be allowed to have as many balls available to them that they think they will need....  if the shot is known then i could see limiting the equipment to a small number of balls....

Each qualifying center should be allowed to put out what ever shot they want as long as it is a sport pattern and sancioned as one.....


the concept of a national sport tourney is a really good idea  and i hope it actually goes somewhere  and who knows maybe this will be the start of a good thing here.........

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Re: Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2004, 01:26:33 AM »
[disclaimer: it's late and I just skimmed through this topic, if there's a detail i missed, i'm sorry, i'll amend it later with an edit...]

now that that's out of the way...speaker as a midwesterner (Chicago), I think there would be a definite desire for people to bowl in this type of a tournament, especially if it's held in this type of way...

Hold 3 or 4 qualifiers in the midwest, Michigan can have one, Illinois/Wisconsin/Indiana can have one, Ohio, and Missouri/Kansas rounding out (with whomever wants to go to whichever qualifier going wherever, there doesn't need to be a boundary limit).  Hold them on the same day, same start time (within 30-45 minutes), same condition (i.e. PBA Pattern B).  Hold 4 games of qualifying over 8 lanes (or even 6 over 12 lanes) and then make a cut.  After the cut is made (presumably top half?) you bowl 3 more games and the top 5-10 (you could choose to include the previous 6 games or not, but it has to be the same at all 4 locations) make it through.  Then a week or a month or whatever time later, all 20-40 qualifiers meet at a predetermined location (preferably not a house where a qualifier was held) and bowl a similar format, except after 6 games, they cut to 5 (maybe 10 or 12 if you keep 40 bowlers from the previous qualifiers) and do stepladder or match play.

The tournament would obviously have to be sport sanctioned, though not every bowler needs to come in with a Sport average, it should probably be scratch.  This would show the true Sport bowling champion.  I believe that the Wisconsin/Illinois/Indiana qualifer could be held at the Champaign, IL house that has the sport league, and perhaps maybe the championships could be held at Hawthorn Lanes in Vernon Hills, IL, site of the Grand Boot Hill.

Obviously this tournament would need some major planning and sponsorship, but get the right people involved and in 2 or 3 years it could be up and running, and i KNOW i'd be in!
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Re: Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2004, 02:45:45 AM »
Ok, some great ideas here.  But do ya think we should spread the qualifiers out so much?  One in Michigan, one for 3 states?  I really think we could hold at least a few in Illinois, a few in Michigan, and a few in Ohio, and so on.

I suppose it's just all about how many people we have helping to promote and run these qualifiers.  I honestly believe we could run 3-5 qualifiers in Michigan alone, and that we could get roughly 50 at each one.

Thanks for the feedback guys n gals.  Keep the ideas coming.
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Re: Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2004, 02:48:44 AM »
Want to simplify things even more? Advertise and put out a light oil sport compliant shot and limit everyone to 2 balls. All balls must be 3-piece pancake core plastic, urethane, or rubber. Yeah baby!!!! That's sport bowling.

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Re: Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2004, 04:38:27 AM »
I think this would be a great idea. Speaking as a U.P. bowler, either have a qualifier up here, or maybe in Green Bay,WI, but open to U.P. bowlers. I'm definitely in.

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Re: Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2004, 01:37:38 PM »
Good point Brian, however my reasoning for having so few qualifying locations is because this would be the first year of the tournament.  I'm not sure too many houses would be willing to give up as many lanes as they need for a Sport compliant tournament.  I think this because look how few houses have been willing to give up spots for Sport compliant leagues.  The qualifiers would have to be held at houses that already have Sport compliant leagues as it would just be easier to hold a tournament at a house that already has all the testing equipment.  

But, I do like the idea of spreading the qualifiers around a bit, put one in the Green Bay area for WI and UP bowlers, maybe 2 in Michigan (Detroit and somewhere else), you could stretch to have two in Illinois (maybe the one in Champaign and perhaps maybe have a Milwaukee/Wauwatosa stop and hold it at AMF Bowlero).  I'm not too familiar with Indiana, but i'm sure you could have one at Beacon Bowl in South Bend.  Maybe at Strike and Spare in St. Louis and maybe one at Lunar Bowl in Blue Springs, MO.  

I'm just offering suggestions based on places that i've bowled at collegiately that have held sport shots in the past.  Each of the places have been sport compliant (except for AMF Bowlero in Wauwatosa, but that's where they're holding the ABC Masters qualifying this year, so I would imagine that event would be sport compliant)
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Re: Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2004, 02:34:29 PM »
Can we have one here in upstate NY too? PLEASE?

I don't believe that you can use the PBA patterns, as I do not belive they are sport compliant. For the regionals, it really doesn't matter what pattern is used as long as it's compliant.

I'd be very interested in this.


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Re: Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2004, 08:21:24 PM »
Qualifiers should be located within reasonable distances from every major city (say 4-6 hours drive) in order to afford the same opportuinities to all. As well a single condition should be placed down on all qualifiers and care should be taken to verify that the condition was true. The actual condition should require skill and certianly not be unplayable. Perhaps hiring a the PBA crew to develop the pattern and place the condition down for each qualifier should be considered to eliminate the potential for house cheating and/or the wrong condition applied.
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Re: Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2004, 09:02:16 PM »
Sounds like a great tournament to me.  Only one concern.  The concern I have would be the bowler must be a sport sanction bowler.  It is hard for alot of people to have a sport sanction because I know around here where I live in Sheboygan, WI the closet sport league is in Milwaukee.  I am sure it is that way for alot of people.  I am not going to join another sanction just to bowl in one tournament knowing that I will never use it for league play.  So I believe that the bowler should just have to be ABC Sanctioned.  It is not going to matter much about the average since it is going to be scratch.  Just my 2 cents worth..  Derek

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Re: Sport Bowling Singles Championship
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2004, 11:54:23 AM »
Ok, here's another question.  When should we do this tournament?  I know up here in Michigan that hunting is very popular during Nov-Dec.  I was thinking we could hold qualifiers in September and early October, and have the championship in late October.

Another thought...I hear a lot of you (and it's the same here) saying that you're bowling in sport leagues during the summer, but the centers won't do them during the season.  So maybe if we held qualifiers during the summer months and then the championship in August?  Or would we spread ourselves too thin because all of the guys and gals who take the summers off?  I personally think we would lose entries if we did this in the summer.

Running these events any time after January would just be bad.  State tournaments and National tournaments would get in the way for certain.  I suppose we could get away with holding the championship in November or early December and the qualifiers all in September - October, mostly in October.

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