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Jorge300

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Sport pattern advice
« on: July 01, 2008, 11:50:13 PM »
My summer league is putting out sport patterns for us to bowl on this year. The next one up is the 3:1 37 foot pattern http://www.bowl.com/Downloads/misc/SportBowling/3-1Ratio37ft.xls.

Has anyone bowled on this pattern before? Just looking for some thoughts on it. My initial thinking is based on the length and oil volumes, the best shot would be outside, maybe up 5. Im thinking of starting with a Cell, OOB surface (2000 Abralon), with the pin-up drill. But I am open for suggestions.
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laddog54

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Re: Sport pattern advice
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2008, 08:53:21 AM »
I have always been told and found that the shorter the condition the closer to the gutter the break point is. Also on the fresh you usually want a ball with a little surface so that it rolls off the spot instead of a polished ball that jerks. If the oil volume is faily large you are going to get a fair bit of carrydown that will allow you to use a more aggresive ball and open the lane up a little. What house in Houston is putting down this shot?
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Re: Sport pattern advice
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2008, 10:31:11 AM »
lad is correct. you dont want anything to jumpy on short or light oil esp if you are playing way out. you want something that gets into a roll quick and is even off the break point. really early rolling and agressive balls work well and add more surface if you need. bowl well
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Jorge300

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Re: Sport pattern advice
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2008, 10:34:05 AM »
laddog,
     This is the Summer Trio league at Copperfield Bowl, NW of town. For the last 2-3 years we have put out tougher patterns. The first were just some PBA regional, USBC Open patterns, etc. Last year we tried a couple of the PBA Patterns and the USBC pattern. This year they are using 3 patterns off of the 3:1 sports patterns from the USBC. We just got done with 4 weeks on the 43 ft pattern, now we get 4 weeks of the 37 ft pattern, then 4 weeks of the 39 ft pattern. It is a good league, we have 30 teams this year with a 625 cap.
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Re: Sport pattern advice
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2008, 04:21:24 PM »
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. really early rolling and agressive balls work well and add more surface if you need. bowl well


On short patterns early rolling and aggressive balls can help tame down the back end, but will roll out/burn up for most bowlers. That's going to lead to corner pins and bad carry. Speed-dominant bowlers would be the exception here.

A ball does not need an aggressive coverstock or dull surface to have a controlled break point. A weaker ball with a controlled break point is a better choice on shorter, lighter patterns, especially for rev-dominant bowlers.

Laddog is correct: In general, the shorter the pattern the further from the pocket the break point. However, you still need to play what the pattern gives you as far as forgiveness.
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DON DRAPER

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Re: Sport pattern advice
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2008, 10:39:16 PM »
the straighter you can go thru the front part of the lane the better. a smoothsanded surface on the ball will also help. spare shooting will never be more important than when you are on a tough oil pattern.
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REvans284

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Re: Sport pattern advice
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2008, 09:23:06 AM »
The shorter patterns are harder to play farther left because there is so much friction and when the head oil goes its hard to get the ball consistantly to your breakpoint with enough energy to finish.  If you are forced to move left, ball down to something weaker.  Stay behind the ball more as opposed to around it to keep it from being too sharp off the breakpoint, and if you are comfortable you may try some finger spacing or height changes to try and get the ball down lane when you need to.  

I don't have much weak equipment right now, so I usually start out around 10 with a breakpoint wherever I can get it to the pocket (around 5-4-3) and gradually move left in to 15 if I have to before I cant keep it right.  I then jump outside around 3-4-5 and play up the boards in the OOB/carrydown I pushed or was already there and use it for hold area.  Stay outside as long as you can.  The guys playing in farther may have a good look early but they will probably lose it as quick as they found it.

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laddog54

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Re: Sport pattern advice
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2008, 09:32:55 AM »
Jorge,
 Bowling the PBA EX league at ARM I in Pasadena. Last year we bowled the shorter patterns. Found on Cheetah and Viper my Silver Streak Pearl pin one inch from PAP at 2000 or Rico drilled Silver Streak SE at 2000 worked the best.
This year we have the Shark and Scorpion. Ave about 190 on the Shark having to use a 400 grit Impulse Zone and OOB SD-73 Classic stacked.
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laddog54

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Re: Sport pattern advice
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2008, 09:35:47 AM »
Jorge,
 What night is your league. Have to goto a Toyota University class out 290 next week. Won't get out till late maybe I'll stop by Copperfield and see if I know anybody out there bowling.
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Re: Sport pattern advice
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2008, 09:36:19 AM »
Yeah my alley puts out a similar pattern, maybe even that one. Amf lanes with kind of low friction.
I start out with my XXX-factor, drilled strong and with semi dull cover, and piping it straight up the 5th board with some speed.
This pattern will not give you much hold if you pull it, and it will not give you any support towards the gutter.
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Re: Sport pattern advice
« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2008, 09:39:49 AM »
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the straighter you can go thru the front part of the lane the better. a smoothsanded surface on the ball will also help. spare shooting will never be more important than when you are on a tough oil pattern.


I am with this, too. Even though it is a flat pattern, it is not very long, and it still has a dry outside board that would allow some lines very close to the gutter. From 20' on it is just forward oil - with contsnt traffic I am sure that you will see some change in ball reaction just after a few games, while the head area should IMO remain pretty stable. Keeping in play is IMHO the biggest challenge, not to have too little reaction.

I'd personally go with a medium solid reactive ball, either with a fine surface grit or even a polished one if you go a longer format and do not want to change balls. Rather a straight line, even though the lane might allow a bigger hook if you have some hand ans stand deeper.
With more aggressive balls, I see them work well when the lane is fresh, but you will surely have to make bigger adjustments in the long run, maybe even have to switch the ball.
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Re: Sport pattern advice
« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2008, 03:02:40 PM »
I found a series of articles offering information on reading the variety of lane oil diagrams and charts that exist. These may help you make the decisions needed to bowl on this. http://www.kegel.net/library/foarticles.asp?byazitipi=1

Also from personal experience, you want a ball that is real mellow of the dry. Anything too skid/snap will not work real well.
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Jorge300

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Re: Sport pattern advice
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2008, 10:03:27 AM »
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Jorge,
 What night is your league. Have to goto a Toyota University class out 290 next week. Won't get out till late maybe I'll stop by Copperfield and see if I know anybody out there bowling.
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Edited on 7/3/2008 9:36 AM


laddog, sorry for the delay, was away for the holiday. We bowl Wednesday nights, start about 8:00.
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Re: Sport pattern advice
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2008, 11:07:07 AM »
Best piece of advice for any sport patterns you bowl on. Make SPARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

When you leave an easy spare, you cannot afford to throw the pins away, you don't strike as often. This is something im learning the hard way as my spare game sucks horribly, and it shows.
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Re: Sport pattern advice
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2008, 05:32:28 PM »
Is there a page that you can go to on bowl.com to get a list of all of the xls files?

I am trying to build as big of a pattern library as possible and I can guess at filenames to get some of them but it would be much easier to just go to a page with a list.

Thanks,

Scott
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