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carlos

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carrydown
« on: June 29, 2014, 07:38:55 PM »
What are some ball suggestions for carrydown. I have a Hyper Cell and I notice the ball struggle alot. I'm looking for a ball that won't lose the continuation during the game. I'm not partial to any company just looking for a ansewer to my problem. Thanks Carlos

 

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Re: carrydown
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2014, 08:12:35 PM »
Seeing as how the Hyper Cell is a particle ball and one of the THE strongest balls on the market currently,
1. I have no idea how you will find a stronger ball, and
2. I strongly suspect you are encountering a drying heads and/or midlane and the ball is burning up early, not encountering carrydown.

It can often be tricky to distinguish between carrydown and drying midlanes.

I'd suggest either moving deeper to find more midlane oil or using a slightly weaker ball with more backend, one that will clear the heads/midlane more easily, as an experiment.
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Re: carrydown
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2014, 08:16:42 PM »
http://www.ballreviews.com/miscellaneous/what-are-your-options-with-conditions-like-this-t303047.0.html

There was a fair amount of discussion about carry down in the above post.

With modern balls I personally believe that carry down is almost non existent.  When a ball uses too much energy too early it can't do anything on the back.  I'd be willing to bet you're using too strong of a ball on the wrong part of the lane.

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Re: carrydown
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2014, 04:10:41 PM »
Thx for the positive feedback. Next time I practice I'll move deeper to see if the ball will turn the corner. I may have been tricked. I also use a SuperNatural by Insite that seem to be finishing stronger than the Hyper Cell played on the same line. Charlest if you look at core and cover of the SuperNatural could it be as strong as the Hyper Cell ? Thx

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Re: carrydown
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2014, 04:48:31 PM »
Super natural is way, way less ball than the hyper cell
hyper cell - 2000 grit dull with alot of flare potential, heavy oil ball
Super natural - 1500 polished, way less flare, a dry lane ball or slow speed

polish the hyper cell, it will still be plenty of ball
carry down is a lot less common these days, symptoms look the same
in reality, its burning up to soon and has nothing left when it gets down lane

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Re: carrydown
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2014, 04:58:18 PM »
Super natural is way, way less ball than the hyper cell
hyper cell - 2000 grit dull with alot of flare potential, heavy oil ball
Super natural - 1500 polished, way less flare, a dry lane ball or slow speed

polish the hyper cell, it will still be plenty of ball
carry down is a lot less common these days, symptoms look the same
in reality, its burning up to soon and has nothing left when it gets down lane
You're thinking of the wrong ball or didn't read his post all the way Dave. He's not throwing the Storm Super Natural, he threw the InSite SuperNatural which is actually a medium particle load ball but nowhere near as strong as the Hyper Cell.

To answer Carlos, the SuperNatural is not as strong as the Hyper Cell. The Nucleus core is a very strong core and stronger than the one used in the SuperNatural. It really just sounds like the Hyper Cell is too strong for the conditions you are bowling on.

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Re: carrydown
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2014, 06:19:12 PM »
Thx for the positive feedback. Next time I practice I'll move deeper to see if the ball will turn the corner. I may have been tricked. I also use a SuperNatural by Insite that seem to be finishing stronger than the Hyper Cell played on the same line. Charlest if you look at core and cover of the SuperNatural could it be as strong as the Hyper Cell ? Thx

the HyperCell will be much stronger as it is far newer cover than the SuperNatural.

I would ball down to something designed to go farther down lane and try to play the same area of the lane as you were with the HyperCell.
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Re: carrydown
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2014, 07:21:44 PM »
Thx for the positive feedback. Next time I practice I'll move deeper to see if the ball will turn the corner. I may have been tricked. I also use a SuperNatural by Insite that seem to be finishing stronger than the Hyper Cell played on the same line. Charlest if you look at core and cover of the SuperNatural could it be as strong as the Hyper Cell ? Thx

The Insite Supernatural
http://www.ballreviews.com/other/insite-the-supernatural-t794.0.html
 seems to be less ball, in general. The core has a much higher RG and is not an asymmetric. I don't know about the relative strengths of the coverstock, but I'd assume that the HC, being newer, is possibly stronger. That major diff is in the high RG core, allowing for more length and more energy retention.
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carlos

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Re: carrydown
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2014, 07:43:07 PM »
What would be some suggestions on balling down. Not partial to any company I just want something effective that I can go to with confidence. Thx again. Carlos

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Re: carrydown
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2014, 08:09:09 PM »
What would be some suggestions on balling down. Not partial to any company I just want something effective that I can go to with confidence. Thx again. Carlos

If the Supernatural is already finishing stronger, why not try that first?
Depending on the current surface and how it is working, you may want to try using a finer grit level or a small bit of polish.
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Re: carrydown
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2014, 09:13:55 AM »
people seem to need a lot of different balls for carrydown, rather then playing different lines to get away from it which is easier. If you can learn multiple lines you can easily stick to the ball that is working for you rather then go on the wild goose chase fighting the carrydown. If you keep hunting for different balls for this all you do is run out of frames and then it truly doesnt matter what ball you had cause it to late and the game is over.
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Re: carrydown
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2014, 01:29:29 PM »
This is where the Nexus Pearl came in handy.  I just move to the right and play up the boards in the track area.  If your timing is good, you should get great hit with this ball.

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Re: carrydown
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2014, 10:11:02 PM »
It can be hard to tell whether a ball is stopping due to carrydown, or is losing axis rotation as it burns.  My rule of thumb is this.  If my ball seems to still be making an angular turn, just going it bit further it is probably carrydown.