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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: michael.willis9 on February 27, 2019, 12:17:23 AM
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So I’m two weeks into my first sport league and I’m learning every deficiency in my game. To start, we bowl against other navy bases. So we bowl 6 games on a pattern, and there’s 3 of us. But I’m the only one with any bit of understanding. The other guys are constantly lost.
So I’ve learned....
1) I have no ability to correctly break down a lane. I was all over the place. Trying to see if my turmoil solid matched up better or my hyroad. Both are OOB. Although I know now to modify that surface to take the shine off.
2) I suck at angles. Last week was rough accuracy-wise but this week I was in the pocket all night but angles killed me. I couldn’t get a solid grip on being in the right spot in the pocket. I was always coming up just a bit high or too deep and the back row of pins was constantly staring at me. And no matter how much i adjusted, I still couldn’t get a good angle in the pocket.
3) my game is so suited for down and in that the moment I have to switch up to a different line, my mental game isn’t strong enough. I’m constantly doubting everything.
4) I have the worst carry and often get left with splits.
But it leads me to my next decision on my next ball purchase. My arsenal like I stated is the turmoil solid, hyroad live, and after dark pearl. All balls are currently at OOB. Now I plan on adding surface to my hyroad, it just reads too late shiny for me.
So I was pretty sure the crux prime was going to be my next ball. And I was going to hit the turmoil at a higher grit to give it extra length.
But after realizing that my angle game sucks and I had the best look from my no longer fitting correctly no rules pearl, it gave me a better look but it was also later in the set, if something more angular may actually be better for me. Maybe the halo pearl or a physix or intense fire
This league has really changed the way I see bowling. And I usually bowl way better on house after the sport shot roughs me up.
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Sport shots will force you to be more precise with your shots. Going back to house, you realize just how much more forgiving they are. Kinda like practicing 6’ putts all day then doubling the size of the hole and seeing if you can make it.
Besides the new ball, maybe consider a lesson or two from a good coach. It’s helped my son tremendously. Especially of late. He’s finally grasped the difference in getting his hand through the ball instead of rotating around it. Strike percentage has gone up 10+% in the two weeks since that light turned on for him. Still hasn’t fully integrated it yet either. Too much end of year stuff with his team and season to solely concentrate on it.
It could be something you’re not aware of that is an easy type fix. Trained eyes see tons.
A change here or there can help with carry as well with your confidence with angles.
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I would have to agree with the above. Either get a few lessons or just practice a lot with the different angles. Practice a deep inside shot and hitting your mark and breakpoint (don't worry about score). This will help tremendously as almost all sport patterns break down where you are playing inside. If you are used to playing down and in, then you most likely come up the back of the ball a lot with a lower tilt. Practice getting around the side of the ball a little bit more, to give you the angle on the end of the pattern to carry. As for a new ball if you like the Turmoil why not get something a little more aggressive like a Pitbull Bark or Tenacity Grit?
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I would definitely get the Crux Prime or another heavy ball, I am a fan of having a "road grader" in my bag at all times...especially on sports shots. You bag seems on the weak side, regardless of adding surface to your Hy-road.
Psycaz is right about sports shots...they are a completely different beast and will humble anyone. Just stay calm, slow the ball speed down, and cleanup your spares...the strikes will come.
As far as breaking down a pattern, if you only have 3 people per pair, you won't be breaking anything down in the 18 total games especially using weaker equipment and everyone not playing the same area.
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I would have to agree with the above. Either get a few lessons or just practice a lot with the different angles. Practice a deep inside shot and hitting your mark and breakpoint (don't worry about score). This will help tremendously as almost all sport patterns break down where you are playing inside. If you are used to playing down and in, then you most likely come up the back of the ball a lot with a lower tilt. Practice getting around the side of the ball a little bit more, to give you the angle on the end of the pattern to carry. As for a new ball if you like the Turmoil why not get something a little more aggressive like a Pitbull Bark or Tenacity Grit?
On the coming up the back part, my son is the complete opposite. He prefers down and in, but comes around the ball too much. 23* of axis tilt last time measured (last year).
Just saying because it can be the other way, from my experience anyway.
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Sport shots will force you to be more precise with your shots. Going back to house, you realize just how much more forgiving they are. Kinda like practicing 6’ putts all day then doubling the size of the hole and seeing if you can make it.
Besides the new ball, maybe consider a lesson or two from a good coach. It’s helped my son tremendously. Especially of late. He’s finally grasped the difference in getting his hand through the ball instead of rotating around it. Strike percentage has gone up 10+% in the two weeks since that light turned on for him. Still hasn’t fully integrated it yet either. Too much end of year stuff with his team and season to solely concentrate on it.
It could be something you’re not aware of that is an easy type fix. Trained eyes see tons.
A change here or there can help with carry as well with your confidence with angles.
My release is good. I generally have more issues controlling ball speed. If I can keep my speed below 17 mph, I’m fine but even getting up to 17.5 blows through the breakpoint.
And my comfort zone is down and in, but I prefer being way outside, but I always deal with out of bounds outside of 5. So I need to hug the out of bounds if I want to play my preferred line. And that’s not ideal, any miss right and I get 3. I need to get more comfortable on the inside.
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I would have to agree with the above. Either get a few lessons or just practice a lot with the different angles. Practice a deep inside shot and hitting your mark and breakpoint (don't worry about score). This will help tremendously as almost all sport patterns break down where you are playing inside. If you are used to playing down and in, then you most likely come up the back of the ball a lot with a lower tilt. Practice getting around the side of the ball a little bit more, to give you the angle on the end of the pattern to carry. As for a new ball if you like the Turmoil why not get something a little more aggressive like a Pitbull Bark or Tenacity Grit?
I looked into both of those actually, as well as the conspiracy pearl even though it’s not out yet. At this point, I’m kinda leaning towards something more angle creating. I had success with my no rules pearl at 1500. The pitch is just wrong in the ball and it’s got a weight hole so I was planning on moving it anyways
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Your game sound exactly like mine. On THS, I like playing up the outside and the inside isn't a favorable spot (but its getting better).
Do you know the name of the pattern(s) that you will be bowling on?
If you do, then research the pattern (Google & YouTube, etc) and see what the general strategy is. That can help a lot because maybe you are playing the pattern wrong (done that before).
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Credit to OP for going in the deep water. It will only serve you better in the long term.
Only a few of the things I would emphasize:
-Have a well rounded arsenal but definitely focus on getting a variety of different shapes in the bag
-MOVE THOSE FEET!
-EMBRACE getting out of your comfort zone. If playing the twig is scary, do it! If you're afraid of a nosebleed but the shot is telling you 5th arrow and to get around it, do it! FIND A WAY!
-Don't focus on score as much as focus on getting better every session at something. For me I'm always seeking to anticipate transition and filling frames. One summer long ago it was the opportunity for me to throw plastic at all non-sleeper (except the bucket) leaves. That has had a lasting impact on my game, scoring and has generally simplified everything in my spare game.
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Your game sound exactly like mine. On THS, I like playing up the outside and the inside isn't a favorable spot (but its getting better).
Do you know the name of the pattern(s) that you will be bowling on?
If you do, then research the pattern (Google & YouTube, etc) and see what the general strategy is. That can help a lot because maybe you are playing the pattern wrong (done that before).
Last two weeks was the 2018 us open singles doubles
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One of the best balls I've ever used when they're tough is a Black Ops, 50*5*65 with about 2000 as the surface. For the price, you can't beat the Ops line and it's a great great sport shot ball, with surface.
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Credit to OP for going in the deep water. It will only serve you better in the long term.
Only a few of the things I would emphasize:
-Have a well rounded arsenal but definitely focus on getting a variety of different shapes in the bag
-MOVE THOSE FEET!
-EMBRACE getting out of your comfort zone. If playing the twig is scary, do it! If you're afraid of a nosebleed but the shot is telling you 5th arrow and to get around it, do it! FIND A WAY!
-Don't focus on score as much as focus on getting better every session at something. For me I'm always seeking to anticipate transition and filling frames. One summer long ago it was the opportunity for me to throw plastic at all non-sleeper (except the bucket) leaves. That has had a lasting impact on my game, scoring and has generally simplified everything in my spare game.
This. All day long and twice on Saturday. This this this.
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Agreed with the above posts... I'm 46 now, but was blessed with 4 years of collegiate bowling that taught me all angles, and I'm very limited in rev rate and a up the back of the ball style that lends to down and in, but I love playing the gutter when I can and can handle deeper angles when necessary, it just comes from practice and experience. And kudos to being in the sport league, we need more bowlers like you. I only have time for one league these days, and I choose a sport league.
On the D/S Open pattern... it was tight in the middle to start and forced the majority right to start, our crankers played 10-11 board out to 6-7... I played straight up 4-5 board the majority of the time. However, at the Open, you work together to break down the shot (or should). In league, it's just a different atmosphere and if you aren't consciously working on the pattern together, it could get much more difficult than it needs to be.
Arsenal... sadly I think, if you aren't a versatile released higher average bowler, more balls are needed to cover more conditions. I'm higher averaged, but not versatile with my release. For sport shots I have a Paradox, IQ Tour, Match Solid (polished), all with 3-4" pin to PAPs. House shots, the Honey Badger, Crux Pearl, Hyper Cell Fused all with 4.5-6" pins are preferred for me. I would say my Jackal Ghost is another strong option that goes with me everywhere. I've loved my Honey Badger on all conditions so far and am punching up a Honey Badger Claw and White Hot Badger that I hope will make both the sport and house bag.
I think a Prime would suit you well... but if you like your Turmoil Solid at the current surface, maybe getting another strong solid symmetrical drilled to compliment that would be worth it, Eon Infinite, Web Tour, Intel, IQ Tour all come to mind.
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Agreed with the above posts... I'm 46 now, but was blessed with 4 years of collegiate bowling that taught me all angles, and I'm very limited in rev rate and a up the back of the ball style that lends to down and in, but I love playing the gutter when I can and can handle deeper angles when necessary, it just comes from practice and experience. And kudos to being in the sport league, we need more bowlers like you. I only have time for one league these days, and I choose a sport league.
On the D/S Open pattern... it was tight in the middle to start and forced the majority right to start, our crankers played 10-11 board out to 6-7... I played straight up 4-5 board the majority of the time. However, at the Open, you work together to break down the shot (or should). In league, it's just a different atmosphere and if you aren't consciously working on the pattern together, it could get much more difficult than it needs to be.
Arsenal... sadly I think, if you aren't a versatile released higher average bowler, more balls are needed to cover more conditions. I'm higher averaged, but not versatile with my release. For sport shots I have a Paradox, IQ Tour, Match Solid (polished), all with 3-4" pin to PAPs. House shots, the Honey Badger, Crux Pearl, Hyper Cell Fused all with 4.5-6" pins are preferred for me. I would say my Jackal Ghost is another strong option that goes with me everywhere. I've loved my Honey Badger on all conditions so far and am punching up a Honey Badger Claw and White Hot Badger that I hope will make both the sport and house bag.
I think a Prime would suit you well... but if you like your Turmoil Solid at the current surface, maybe getting another strong solid symmetrical drilled to compliment that would be worth it, Eon Infinite, Web Tour, Intel, IQ Tour all come to mind.
i kinda have two options, 1 is to go the crux prime route, and take the turmoil solid ot a higher grit. the other is to keep the turmoil and i'm thinking a halo pearl and sand the cover down some. start with the turmoil and work down to the halo. I like the reaction of my no rules pearl, the span just isn't right. i like the look of my hyroad, it was just a little too long and weak. i plan on sanding it down to 3000 or 4000 but it'll still not be enough ball. i'm thinking something with some length and snap is what i need right now.
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I think going with the Prime and it's box surface should compliment the Turmoil Solid without surface changes (the Prime will be a lot stronger and be a different shape compared to the symmetrical Turmoil). Compare and if you still want to bring up the Turmoil surface, do that. If you like your No Rules Pearl that much, I'd get that span fixed. It's a little smoother for a strong pearl, so I can see why it would work on a sport shot for you.
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Credit to OP for going in the deep water. It will only serve you better in the long term.
Only a few of the things I would emphasize:
-Have a well rounded arsenal but definitely focus on getting a variety of different shapes in the bag
-MOVE THOSE FEET!
-EMBRACE getting out of your comfort zone. If playing the twig is scary, do it! If you're afraid of a nosebleed but the shot is telling you 5th arrow and to get around it, do it! FIND A WAY!
-Don't focus on score as much as focus on getting better every session at something. For me I'm always seeking to anticipate transition and filling frames. One summer long ago it was the opportunity for me to throw plastic at all non-sleeper (except the bucket) leaves. That has had a lasting impact on my game, scoring and has generally simplified everything in my spare game.
All one has to do is go to nationals to see plenty of examples of what happens if you never go in the deep end and then get pushed. Not there yet myself but hopefully soon. Good luck.
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Well halo pearl won out. I LT particulate has looks better in person than the pictures make it out to be. And getting it in my hands a week before release is extra appealing. I’m gonna try it oob Saturday on the sport and I can see surface changes possibly in the future
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Use surface, slows the ball down and you see the pattern. Stop using OOB shine.
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Use surface, slows the ball down and you see the pattern. Stop using OOB shine.
planned on it. i had him take my hyroad to 3000 today too. but i wanna throw the halo pearl oob before i make surface adjustments
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Northface is right on. You need some surface to control the midlane on sport patterns. I like solids instead of pearls on fresh. Preferably low rg asymmetricals. Hyroad is way to high rg for fresh, especially oob polish finish. Black ops with 2000 is a great choice as doom stated, my benchmark sport ball, but you already purchased a halo pearl. Like the fact it’s asymmetrical. Low rg. Not a fan of the oob polished surface on it. If you hit it with 2000, that should control the midlane, roll phase much better for you. Good luck.
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#doomknowsbest
That should be my YouTube channel when I start one.
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Lmao! Nice ego doom. I was always told you don’t need to say how good you are, because when you are good, people will tell you how good you are. Well doom! You’re pretty dam good.
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Good luck with the Halo Pearl, I think it will be a good addition and you are taking the right approach on trying it oob, but open to surface changes.
One thing jkirkerx mentioned that is worth rementioning.... unless you are a PBA pro, even on sport shot, it's important to work with your A game first and foremost. You need to repeat shots and be consistent. Then you have a good arsenal to find the right reaction on the right day.
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Good luck with the Halo Pearl, I think it will be a good addition and you are taking the right approach on trying it oob, but open to surface changes.
One thing jkirkerx mentioned that is worth rementioning.... unless you are a PBA pro, even on sport shot, it's important to work with your A game first and foremost. You need to repeat shots and be consistent. Then you have a good arsenal to find the right reaction on the right day.
Consistency has killed me. House shot will tend to give me a bad habit where I can leak it out a little and still be ok. Then I come to sport and leak into oil and never get the ball to come back. Ironically, i end up more accurate in house shots cuz of this