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Snakster

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How do you know when a ball is 'dead'?
« on: July 16, 2013, 12:47:49 PM »
While reading another post on fall arsenal, the poster indicated he would not be buying a new ball for the coming season and instead will rely on some one on one practice time to sharpen his game. This got me thinking a little; especially as a purchaser if used balls only (so far). How do you know when the ball you have is played out? Iny case it's a bit more difficult than comparing how it reacted new as opposed to how it reacts now because I never had one new.

I have only really gotten into bowling since this past January when my son got into it. Yes I have played when I was a kid and intramurals in high school, but sporadically at best since then (I'm in mid 40s). I bought a used ball (and several more since) in order to play with my son. Just seemed logical if I wanted to get better myself, but couldn't justify new since I was not in a league myself.

I have been playing in an adult junior league this summer with the boy and I may actually look into an adult league in the fall. So my question is, how do you know if you're no longer getting max benefit from your equipment. Or rather, how do you know when it's time to get something new?

Or can you replicate new with a refinish and is there a law of diminishing returns going that route. Just looking for some thoughts and opinions. Thanks.
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J_Mac

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Re: How do you know when a ball is 'dead'?
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2013, 05:08:32 PM »
I'll bite...

"Ball Death" is, I feel, somewhat rare... I do think some coverstocks, even with proper care, have shown evidence of slowly diminishing to a point where they are no longer able to be rated at the original oil handling ability.

A complete resurface and attempting to replicate some factory finishes will be helpful, but if the ball is starting to saturate with lane conditioner it needs more than just a resurface.

Pro shops have a few methods available to do this, but this is what I've done in the past -

No soap!

The idea is to not introduce an ingredient that may create an emulsion with the lane conditioner. An emulsion that may prove near impossible to remove by most accepted methods. Mayonnaise is an emulsion...

The method we favor around here is just hot (no higher than 150°F) tap water in a 5 gallon bucket. Just enough to cover the ball once submerged. Once you figure how much water that is, feel free to mark the bucket with the ball removed for future reference.

Keep the ball in there for roughly 10 minutes per pass. Pull the ball out after 10 minutes and spray with a good ball cleaner and wipe dry with a microfiber towel. Repeat until the ball no longer feels greasy/slimy when you remove it from the water. Dulling the ball to "open up the pores" before this process is not necessary, but it can't hurt either.  Especially if you plan on doing a resurface anyhow.

If the water has cooled to a point to where you are comfortable sticking your hand in it for more than a few seconds it's time to change the water.

Snakster

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Re: How do you know when a ball is 'dead'?
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2013, 07:24:24 PM »
Thanks for your thoughts. So good ball maintenance is certainly key for long life, but then it begs the question, what good reason is there to buy 'this year's ball'?  Unless of course you do t like the action. I'm sure ball reps don't like that question but how many years does the average person here use a particular ball? Do you replace it because you itch for something new or because you honestly believe its not the same ball anymore?
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Radical Squatch hybrid
Motiv Forza GT
Hammer Black Widow Gold
DV8 Vandal
DV8 Creed Rebellion

itsallaboutme

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Re: How do you know when a ball is 'dead'?
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2013, 07:58:05 PM »
Your asking on a bowling ball forum how many years per ball.  How many ball per year is a better question here.

J_Mac

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Re: How do you know when a ball is 'dead'?
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2013, 08:07:21 PM »
If I have the extra cash and am getting what I consider a deal, I will buy stuff that I feel compliments what I already have (weaker/stronger) and stuff to use for new ideas in layouts.

For example, my last two purchases were a Misfit Pearl since the Green/White Misfit is such a good, all-around, ball for me... and a Pursuit-S on "steep" clearance to use for the MOtion hole layout.

I don't frequently keep stuff in my active rotation for more than a year or so and usually kick decent single drill equipment to the pile being donated to local HS bowlers.

I do, however, buy and drill old "gems" and am sometimes impressed how competitive with modern equipment a ball poured in the late 90's can be...

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Re: How do you know when a ball is 'dead'?
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2013, 08:14:04 PM »
On a THS I think you can get quite a few years out of a properly maintained ball.  For sport shots, sometimes an older ball just won't read the lane properly.  You'll be around the pocket, but you just won't be able to get the ball the face the pocket properly in order to maximize carry/score.

For example, I have a 2 year old Wicked Siege.  For the first year and a half, it was my go to ball on just about every pattern (we did PBA patterns one year and Team USA patterns the next).  This year even after a good oil bath, it struggles to turn the corner on the medium and longer patterns.  I still love it on the short patterns because old or new I can always get the ball to set up without over hooking at the break point.  It's still a great benchmark ball - it tells me where the oil is and how the lanes should be played.  It's just not always going to score the best for me.

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Re: How do you know when a ball is 'dead'?
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2013, 09:06:46 PM »
I have 100's of games on most of my balls and they still work great.  But I clean after every 3 games and oil remove after 30 games or so and then fully resurface around 100 games.  But I can say that I have had 2 balls "die" on me of the many I have owned. A columbia ransom demand and a amf double clutch solid.  Once you see how a ball reacts and overtime it doesn't seem the same and you are sure the conditions are similar, you oil extract and completely resurface it and then if its still not back then you could consider it "dead".  Other than that I will only replace a ball if it cracks beyond repair.  Most of the time I just replace my oiler and my previous oiler becomes my med/heavy ball.

Snakster

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Re: How do you know when a ball is 'dead'?
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2013, 10:23:24 PM »
Great contributions, thanks. For the record I have always been a 'sucker for the latest and greatest stuff; no matter what the subject.  I'm finding the tug of new bowling balls no different. So far I've managed to spare my wallet by being used equipment, but I'm now dying to buy new...and new only going forward.  I just want to see what a new ball does. 

Converse to me, my son has already gotten and used one new ball (Arson). Is now stepping up to 12 pounds so is getting a new ball for his birthday. IQ Tour Pearl. Lee at BowlerX was on board with the choice; that's where he takes his lessons. Plus he has his own cash and bought a couple new balls on deep clearance to add to his "tournament arsenal" that Lee will drill up for him Monday. Karma urethane and Radical Time's Up Solid.  Plays he has my mom getting him a Storm Mainframe as a spare ball for his birthday. So that's 5 new balls for him already.

He's kinda like me that way. Only difference is so far I've been able to convince myself I don't need more or new balls.  Not sure how long I can keep that up. Kinda started this thread to help convince myself I don't need to bend; or perhaps someone tell me my used stuff is a shadow of what they were new and I should step up.

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DV8 Turmoil 2 Pearl
Radical Squatch hybrid
Motiv Forza GT
Hammer Black Widow Gold
DV8 Vandal
DV8 Creed Rebellion

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Re: How do you know when a ball is 'dead'?
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2013, 05:54:54 AM »
While not exactly in the same position I can definitely understand. I came back to bowling a few months ago after taking several years off ( last bowled in 2001 or 2, can't really remember) and at first I was perfectly happy with my old equipment ( Blood Red Beast, Storm Eraser, Storm El Nino, Ace Supreme polyster), but after seeing the new stuff out there I'm jumping in with both feet.

I'll be buying two today for sure ( First Blood and Arson Low Flare) and probably a new spare ball as well being mine busted out around one of the fingers and has several cracks around it just waiting to pop out.

While I can't bowl leagues right now, its my hobby, and I may be retired before I can again but I'm gonna enjoy it.

Great thing about the new stuff coming out today compared to a decade ago, theres not nearly the big change that you used to see from new balls. So if you buy new and take care of it, it should last you a good long while.

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Re: How do you know when a ball is 'dead'?
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2013, 12:30:29 PM »
I have a Full Swing which I am pretty sure has expired. I have about 200 games on the ball, and I did the things that 900DJ listed in his post. I assume that oil guzzlers like the Full Swing have a shorter life expectancy than other types of balls.
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Re: How do you know when a ball is 'dead'?
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2013, 12:36:50 PM »
I am new to bowling but my wifes been bowling for 15+ years. Im like you in that anything im into I like the latest greates, bowling has been no exception. I started with a used ball off Craigslist and that lasted about 2 weeks! Since then I purchased a new DV8 Reckless, a Storm Sync, Defiant Soul a White Dot for spares and a couple other new balls that didnt last. While i've since got rid of the Sync and the Reckless I love my Defiant Soul. Thing is I lost my butt selling the Sync being a high end ball. I have 3 used balls as well, all single drills bought on the bay I just had the thumbs moved for my span, all 3 are keeper and being used regurlarly. While I do bowl in Leauge and practice a couple nights a week at this point im just not good enough to notice the differance from the high end stuff to lower/mid stuff, plus if I dont like it I loose more money selling it than just buying single drill used or lower/mid level. I just bough a new Storm Tropical Heat Hybrid for $70 shipped and LOVE it, and if I didnt I could redrill or sell it without taking a big loss compared to something like my Sync. I bought a ball spinner and do the hot bath with my and the wifes equiptment to maintain everything. I also think a good pair of shoes (I bought some SST 8's) with changable souls is more benafit than another new ball. Oh and FWIW my wife was throwing an old Columbia Beast and Storm Too Hot when I started bowling. Sinces then shes got a 3 new balls. A Diva, Misfit and used Rising Star. Her average is up 20 pins so I would say upgrading to newer equiptemnt has definately helped her game but with the maintenance I do on our gear I dont think it would've mattered had I bought her used stuff.

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Re: How do you know when a ball is 'dead'?
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2013, 03:48:06 PM »
It has a lot to do with using a ball on its intended condition as well.  If you use a hook monster on dry conditions, it's not going to last long.  Ball death is noticed more with equipment that hooks more.  It's like snow tires vs regular tires.  If you use snow tires on snow, they'll last longer than they will if you leave them on all summer too.  Oil extraction, cleaning, and resurfacing does help some, but all balls, expecially the bigger hooking ones, have a shelf life, but I haven't found any particular pattern or time frame for how long they last.  In my experience though, sanded pearls go the quickest, followed by big hooking solids, then big hooking pearls, etc. 
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Re: How do you know when a ball is 'dead'?
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2013, 04:37:45 PM »
Gizmo... I think "shelf life" is not the quite the right terminology...

I know what you are trying to say, but undrilled balls don't have a hook potential "half life" so to speak.

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Re: How do you know when a ball is 'dead'?
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2013, 06:24:39 PM »
Gizmo... I think "shelf life" is not the quite the right terminology...

I know what you are trying to say, but undrilled balls don't have a hook potential "half life" so to speak.

Yeah, you're right, but you got the point I was trying to get across.  Once you start using them, they're only going to give you so many games.  The ones that are better maintained and used on the intended conditions will last longer, but they're like tires, eventually they wear out and you have to get more. 
What would you be if you were attached to another object by an inclined plane, wrapped helically around an axis?