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Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« on: January 02, 2007, 12:34:30 PM »
Bowled league tonight and decided to use a different push away. It was position night and we only need to win 4  out of 20 points to salt away the first half. I threw the ball very inconsistent with my new push away.
Shoot 279-268-279 = 826    I now change my mind and say you can luck into a 800. Even though I never missed the pocket I seemed to have half the d**m lane. If I throw the ball better I most likely never even get the eight. Of all the eights I've thrown this is by far the worst I've thrown it. I'm really starting to long for the old ABC lane conditions. They should put out a standard 2:1 oil variance. I know it will never happen, just wish I could find a sport league in my area.

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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2007, 11:08:38 PM »
I was bowling in a tournament over the weekend (new years eve deal), and I accidently threw the ball 8 boards left of my intended target at the arrows. I knew it was a huge  error on my part but i watched the balls reaction, got to the 5 board, stopped moving right, slid a few feet, then jumped left and hit brooklyn for a strike. I stood there with my face in my hands in disbeleif of what i just saw. I walk back to the settee area and people are trying to hand me a high five and give me nice shot comments, I made it very clear that that shot should have been in the gutter before the arrows!! They didnt understand. This kind of shot should be illegal. I finished +490 for 7 games, i was leader by 190 pins.
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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #32 on: January 03, 2007, 07:28:01 AM »
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...I just don't throw the ball bad enough to score with some of the people around here. I don't know I'm just tired of getting beat by people that can't hit within 5 boards of the same mark from frame to frame.


I don't bowl league so I don't know, but what you're saying seems so contradictory. You're tired of losing to people worse than you because of a THS? But if you're better, shouldn't you be beating them regardless? I can understand complaining about honor scores being less meaningful but I don't see how it gives the less skillful bowler an advantage. Logically scores will go up equally for both at worst and in my opinion more so for the more skillful bowler. Could you discuss this a little more so I may understand your point of view?


When the shot is as easy as it is it comes down to carry and not who can make it to the pocket. This doesn't bother me so much in league as it does when bowling in local tournaments. I didn't really mean that they have an advantage, but that when I do make a mistake its not usually big enough to be rewarded with a strike. I see alot of guys around here throw a really bad ball and strike and I'll throw one thats not good but not bad either and leave a corner pin or something. Like I said I don't consider myself a great bowler and I don't want to come off that way but I am able to hit my mark, keep ball speed and rotation on the ball consistent. I do understand what your saying and in the long haul I do average higher than these guys because I make my spares and I can string stikes. But in a short format tournament the long haul doesn't matter.

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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #33 on: January 03, 2007, 07:41:04 AM »
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Why is everyone still complaining about these shots?
Why are all of you requesting hard shots but not doing anything about it?
Why are all of you blaming the USBC for this.. when it's been these easy shots for years?

You know what you can do smarta$ses? Make a sport shot league yourself.

Over the summer I made a Junior Sport Shot League and it was great since it helped me out alot and it was fun to bowl and be president and all.

Take a little time, talk to your center, find some hard shots, makes em legal, and sanction your sport shot league.

And if your too lazy to even sanction it.. just find harder shots and call it a Sport Shot league and don't both with the sanction!

I'm so friggin sick and tired of you people complaining about the shots.. do something about it instead of sitting at the computer on here saying it's so easy.. since if you bowl on those shots.. the people who call other people sprayers.. will even see they spray the ball way too much!

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Its just that easy huh? I'll just march on down to my local center and tell the manager that he's going to have a sport shot league wether he likes it or not. Believe me, I have tried numerous times, and so have others, to get a sport, regional or PBA shot league going but when the managers at the local centers shoot you down theres nothing you can do. There are some summer leagues that follow the sport format but to me thats like going on a diet for just 3 months of the year, it does almost no good, I want to bowl on something that will make me better all year round. I guess I can't really blame the managers, if I managed a center and could fill the house with a league or fill half the house with a league I know which I would choose.

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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2007, 07:59:08 AM »
This is another one of those never-ending debates. We're never all going to agree on this. My take:

In general, house shots are very easy; that's why I take no particular pride in my 229 average. Instead, I measure myself by how I fare in tournaments and on tougher patterns.

The fact is this: bowling centers are not going to put out tough conditions because that's not what 99% of the bowling population wants. For as easy as I find our house pattern, there are 50 plus other guys who think it's a grind and feel that it needs to be lightened up. Is the house going to change just to appease me? No. So, I go out there and whack the house for all that I can week in and week out. I don't think that I'm great because I can shoot this number or average this. I take it for what it is. I go to tournaments to truly begin measuring where my game is at.

If you don't like bowling on soft conditions, use plastic only, find a sport league, or quit. Those are your options. Pick one and please stop coming on here starting new posts about how easy the game is. Anyone who is even decent at the game already knows all about it. Since it's not going to change, there's no point in beating this horse any deader than it already is.
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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2007, 08:27:58 AM »
"High average in my house is about 208. I am at 201. The only PBA card carrying member is the owner/manager Chris Lucas.....never heard of him till he came here though. He loves to show off his 800/300 plaques everywhere. There has MAYBE been 2 300's shot at this house in the past 20 years. No joke....and no 800's that I can remember."

Isn't Chris Lucas from S.D.????
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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2007, 08:29:30 AM »
I dislike bowling on THS because it usually forces me to play real deep or move to my B game playing thes two styles I lose almost all my carry and shoot 630-640 when I play on tougher conditions sport, reverse block, fried lanes etc... I get my carry back and shoot about the same. last night I decided to try my plastic in our league and shot 621(266, 175, 180) The oil just pushed down making it a little tougher using PLastic.

If there was a sport league in my area I would bowl for sure but no chance of that happening. I guess I will just have to settle for tournaments with tough patterns and use plastic in league.
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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2007, 01:21:52 PM »
weird post...from top to bottom.

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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2007, 01:25:59 PM »
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Even though I never missed the pocket I seemed to have half the d**m lane. If I throw the ball better I most likely never even get the eight. Of all the eights I've thrown this is by far the worst I've thrown it.


SO, This is what frustrates me. Are you telling me that all the hard work I have put in to my game to be sure I throw good shots and hit my mark were for nothing and actually have hindered me if mt intention is to bowl well on a THS?
I can't say I have ever felt as though I had half the lane to work with. Maybe in some parts this is the case but I just don't see it around here. Anyone here from Michigan that can tell me where to go to find these incredably easy conditions?
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Sunnybrook Lanes is very easy when they put down there house shot.  I shot 1125 and 1178 in 2 tournaments there in 5 games, and didn't make the cut once.

Van Dyke Bowl when putting out their easy shot, which they have modified this season is very easy.

300 Bowl puts down a cake shot as well.

The only place that I've bowled that had tough conditions in a LEAGUE is Bowl One..and only on Friday nights in the classic league.  Any other night, not so hard.

The tournament series I bowl on now puts up some pretty tough shots 8 out of 10 times.  It's fun to see guys who average 220 shoot -80 for 4 games.  It's one of the only series, where you don't have to shoot the lights out to qualify.

This season I've bowled two.  1040 for 5, and 807 for 4 and qualified in the top 10 both times.
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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2007, 06:33:25 PM »
Mr. CrankMeister no profile bowler.

The theme of this website as evidenced by this post are the following...
If you can't bowl sport you can't bowl.

The initial posters post...I threw 800 and I threw bad that's how bad this game sucks.

Well for the other 99.5% of us who don't have an 800 but like to bowl and strive to get better and come to this website to learn...a nice kick in the teeth from the elites!

Recently I saw a local guy throw 800 and it was awesome.  After a split in the second frame of game 3 I believe he needed to strike thru the 11th to get a chance at 800.  He did it!  It was a strong house wall.  When he got the 11th(not all balls were spliced) the sucky bowlers in his league stood and applauded him as he finished his 804!  It was gutsy...classy and power bowlin at it's best.
What do we know...we loved it!

From my good friend and multiple regional champ friend who recently had an 83x...as he said..."I didn't have it as good as I shot but it was still "FUN"".

For the elitists of this site making up the top 1/2% of the bowling world...great.  For the rest of us who like to bowl and think every 300 and 800 we see is great...I think we have it better.  Real enjoyment of our high series and good days.  Not total disgust that a house shot allows an 800!

My view...someone shot 800...someone shot a bunch of em and put plagues on his wall...congratulations and shake his hand.  Disparage him and denigrate his accomplishment...why?

Someone puts a lot of plagues on his wall and is in the business of selling bowling equipment I say..."Why Not!?"...it helps his business.

Upon further review I find a Chris Lucas out of Oklahoma with a 69 game average of 253...to my mind...great.  Whether he has the game to be a success on tour or a life that accomadates bowling on the pro tour great.  If he doesn't...to me...he's still something special.  And deserves Kudos not criticism or denigration.  From what I see...few are lauded...ie Walter Ray and Norm Duke about the only two I see...
most are chided out here...WHY?

But what do I know.  I'm not in that 1/2 of 1% of bowlers that are so good that they can look at an 800 and sneer!  Or find fault.

It's nice to see people do outstanding things.  My hats off to them!

REgards,

Luckylefty
PS whether I speak for others or not I can't say.  But increasingly this is a website of elitist people that spend a LOT of time denigrating and criticizing the accomplishments of others on house conditions...WHY?  For others that enjoy every 700 we throw house condition or not...this site is becoming more and more for the top of the tiniest sliver of elite bowler...which leaves the rest of us who can't shoot 800 on our "off" days looking up at scoring elite of ball reviews.  Is that the intention...a site for only the 1/2 of 1% of top bowlers in the WORLD?


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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #40 on: January 03, 2007, 06:38:34 PM »
LuckyLefty, a man for the masses.  

Everyman.  

Good post.

BTW, scooterdog, congrats on the 826.  Even if you didn't deserve it.
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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #41 on: January 03, 2007, 06:45:08 PM »
Wow... I just used up my one time a year that I agree with LuckyLefty.
It's going to be a long year.
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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #42 on: January 03, 2007, 08:55:38 PM »
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final proof that a bowling is too easy.... a guy is shooting honor scores and his ball has his name engraved on it.....


Absolutly!This shmoo is too stupid to buy a new ball every week.
This dufas goes into the local pro shop and talks to the guy running it for advice.Then he takes his old ball out on the lanes so the guy can get an idea of his style and needs.

Then he follows the guy back into the shop to drill up(at a horribly inflated price cause he don't shop online)the ball he recommends.As the shop guy is drilling the new ball he asks if he wants his name on it cause he noticed it was on the old ball.Dumb bowler figures what the heck cause he just put down $180 and he's gonna put a couple hundred games on it and give it away.This clown doesn't realize if he just puts 5 games on it he can get $50 for it on Ballreviews.

This loser then takes his joke of a ball out on the lanes and has the time of his life posting a score USBC is gonna give him an award for.Never realizes he's being laughed at by all the elite bowlers cause if he can do it with his name on the ball it don't mean ****.

This IS the final proof there is no reason to bowl anymore.Ya THATS the ticket!

I'll take Sawbones and any guy like him on my team any day and if it will help I'll engrave my full name AND address on my ball.
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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #43 on: January 03, 2007, 08:57:59 PM »
The scoring pace is continuing to increase year after year. I remember topics in this website 2 or 3 years back when people were proclaiming that the balls would not get better and the scoring pace will flatten out. It has not. Watch when this year is over and we see another scoring increase.

I remember topics years ago about the average award score used to be 1 in 130,000 and recently its 1 in less than 100.

Lets not isolate the reason for the scoring pace being limited to balls or patterns. Lane surfaces are also a serious factor. Stronger competition between centers have caused them to keep in repair flat gutters and pin decks, kick backs. The centers that are producing lots of scores are doing many more things consistantly correctly. Not to mention as pointed out on here that knowledge of bowling know how is exponentially better than ever.

In the 80's I averaged in the 220's and had many 300's/800's. And in all honesty being a head mechanic all those years we tried everything we could think of to "bend" the rules to allow higher scoring. Dont begin to think that the 80's are considered "back in the day" because our scores were inflated then as well.

I shot my first 300 back in 1977 on a pattern of 10 to 10 oiled 28 ft buffed to 38 ft with 3 coats of oil in both directions. Still this was when it was 1 in 75,000 award scores. I got a real (10k)gold ring with a real ruby and a real diamond in the middle (of course this was the last year they gave gold rings away for free). I started bowling in germany on military bases in the mid 70's as a youth/adult and averaging 190's. I walked into the US bowling centers and instantly average 210's over nite.

For anyone who has not bowled through the transition of the 70's through today, you can not understand how simple the game has become. Just as I cannot understand how simple the game became from the 50's to the 70's. No matter what the majority of bowlers say (because they have not transitioned over the years) the game is unbelievably easy...PERIOD. The numbers speak for themselves... a 261 national high average, a 230+ (sport compliant national average...LOL). 99.9% of all national high scores have been re-established in the past 4 years. More award scores per bowler, and 1000% increase in award scores with 75% less bowlers than in the 70's.

The bottom line is, when you learn to take advantage of todays technology (and I am not refering to only bowling balls) the games becomes a joke. Because you go beyond the curve where skill is lessoned and you understand it.

Truthfully I quit this bowling game two years ago watching what I saw. My son asked me to bowl with him this year so I shoed up and do not practice, I dont take the game serious and of course I suck.. averaging 215 at the break but averaging about 225 for the last 6 weeks. Why?? Because I have drilled up new equipement to better exploit the THS, surface, pin decks. I am over the hill, 70 lbs over weight and still I keep up with the Jones. Thats not to point out that I am a good bowler but to point out that it is not about skill cause I dont have much anymore and I freely acknowledge it albeit I dont want to accept it.


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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #44 on: January 03, 2007, 09:49:11 PM »
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I don't take the game serious and of course I suck.. averaging 215 at the break but averaging about 225 for the last 6 weeks. Why?? Because I have drilled up new equipment to better exploit the THS, surface, pin decks. I am over the hill, 70 lbs over weight and still I keep up with the Jones. Thats not to point out that I am a good bowler but to point out that it is not about skill cause I don't have much anymore and I freely acknowledge it albeit I don't want to accept it.
 

I'm surprised at this.By your profile I would take you as a serious bowler.Many tournaments,high averages and award scores.All listed along with an eight ball arsenal.With that level of achievement can't picture you as a bowler without skill anymore but I'm sure it is as you say.

I myself bowl on noncompliant sport conditions but also bowl with my son on a THS.I,like you,take advantage of the new equipment to conquer both lane conditions.Unlike you I'm grateful for this because as I advance in age my physical abilities and skills are deteorating and I can still bowl at the level I need to be at to enjoy the game.The numbers are just higher now.But so are the jackpots.I prefer receiving to giving.
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Re: Starting to think bowling is a big joke ?!?
« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2007, 08:36:40 AM »
I bowled for one season in the late 70s with a yellow dot.

Whether the pins fell down as easy I don't remember.

But I do remember it seemed easier to find the pocket every day!

I have mentioned this before and if I remember right a man I respect out here...Bob Hanson agreed with me!

Easier to knock pins down today if one is a power bowler ...I guess so.
I'm not really one so I don't know.

Easy to shoot 800.  I guess so...but the house I bowl in occassionally is still waiting for it's first one from a lefthander in 5 years!

Easy to shoot a 300?...I bowl in another one and a guy just shot the first one of the winter season(pretty good mens league)...not a hard shot they just hadn't fallen(a few 299s).
He had to wait five minutes between ball 11 and 12...to get to fire due to the ball return.  We all stood and applauded after the 12th ball!

What do we know?

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