Post by: Scooterdog on January 02, 2007, 12:34:30 PM
Shoot 279-268-279 = 826
I now change my mind and say you can luck into a 800. Even though I never missed the pocket I seemed to have half the d**m lane. If I throw the ball better I most likely never even get the eight. Of all the eights I've thrown this is by far the worst I've thrown it. I'm really starting to long for the old ABC lane conditions. They should put out a standard 2:1 oil variance. I know it will never happen, just wish I could find a sport league in my area.Scooterdog
Post by: Rev_O on January 02, 2007, 09:04:02 PM
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Post by: FastTracker33 on January 02, 2007, 09:23:43 PM
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Post by: BrunsMike on January 02, 2007, 09:24:53 PM
I dont complain about it, if you want a true challenge then get your equipment and bowl 3-6 games before the laneman oils the lanes for leauge and see how good you really are. I do this twice a week and I'll tell you what, this broken down shot IS NOT easy at all. Flying heads with very little backends, hard condition to combat and yet I still shot 639 tonight using a Rampage...
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Post by: Rev_O on January 02, 2007, 09:25:11 PM
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Ooooh, house shots aren't that easy!! I may only have a 184 average (thats my own mental game fault) BUT i did have a Clean Series with a house ball! A 616 to be exact.. i was exploding the pocket that day.. the ball didn't even fit my hand.. i threw it 2 fingered, and had a 616 series (clean) and a 578 series (unclean, lol).. those series were for 3 games.. i was kinda mad for how easy the shot is.. but i guess it's some fun!
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You're not even old enough to chime in here. You are growing up on soft conditions. I grew up throwing rubber and plastic. I actually do know a thing or two about this darn game!
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Post by: Scooterdog on January 02, 2007, 09:26:14 PM
And yes I know that not all house shot are created equal.
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BTW - I always ignore the knee jerk flames....
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Post by: No Open Tenths on January 02, 2007, 09:27:21 PM
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Even though I never missed the pocket I seemed to have half the d**m lane. If I throw the ball better I most likely never even get the eight. Of all the eights I've thrown this is by far the worst I've thrown it.
SO, This is what frustrates me. Are you telling me that all the hard work I have put in to my game to be sure I throw good shots and hit my mark were for nothing and actually have hindered me if mt intention is to bowl well on a THS?
I can't say I have ever felt as though I had half the lane to work with. Maybe in some parts this is the case but I just don't see it around here. Anyone here from Michigan that can tell me where to go to find these incredably easy conditions?
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Post by: BrunsMike on January 02, 2007, 09:37:54 PM
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I don't know exactly what a "soft shot" would be, but my normal (until they just changed it) shot is a 10 x 10 shot (i think that's what it's called) with a flood all concentrated in the middle of the lane.. with dry on the outside past 10ish, maybe 8ish.
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That my friend is your classic wall of china! Thats what a "soft shot" is all about. Throw it to 5 board and watch it come screaming back to the 1-3 pocket.
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Wed. Nite Ave: 197
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Post by: Rev_O on January 02, 2007, 09:38:14 PM
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Well they're actually changing the conditions now to a heavier oil shot.. the condition was soft that day, but that's rediculous.. i wasn't even trying for the strikes.. i just tried throwing the same shot over and over, and i did, So i kept striking, and i guess you would call that striking but still.. and i grew up on plastic to ya know! I was using a mickey mouse ball until i was 10 !! (poor me) lol.. i just started using the reactive stuff a few years ago! I don't know exactly what a "soft shot" would be, but my normal (until they just changed it) shot is a 10 x 10 shot (i think that's what it's called) with a flood all concentrated in the middle of the lane.. with dry on the outside past 10ish, maybe 8ish. Sorry if im too young and "un-experienced" to be saying this stuff. But a 616 with a house ball.
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Back in "the day" you had to know how to make the ball hook, or make it go straight. There wasn't any of this adult bumper bowling we see in todays world. It went where you threw it. Now, if you tug it 5 boards it sets up in the hole, or if you miss right by five boards, it comes screamin back to the pocket. The equipment along with the soft THS has made almost everyone a power player. Before, being a power player was an advantage, it's not anymore, just ask a few guys like Del Ballard Jr, PDW in the early reactive years, and many more!! These guys had to learn how to NOT hit it, which was 100% opposite from what they'd done their entire careers. Technology isnt as great as we think it is!!
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Post by: BrunsMike on January 02, 2007, 09:45:41 PM
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Wed. Nite Ave: 197
Thur. Nite Ave: 217
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Post by: Rev_O on January 02, 2007, 09:48:09 PM
Thanks for the props BrunsMike!
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on January 02, 2007, 09:52:43 PM
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I hated short oil. I was throwing black beauty and blue dots while most eveyone else was throwing purple angles, black udots, or something like that.
Thanks for the props BrunsMike!
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Rev_O,
I would have figured you for a polished Wine U-Dot kinda guy. I loved that ball. Probably my favorite ball of all time. I still have one that I got from David Ozio with hardly any games on her. It was given to me in Milwaukee when Miller still had sponsorship of the PBA Tour. I think I threw that four or five times and decided to keep her for the archives.
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Post by: BrunsMike on January 02, 2007, 09:57:09 PM
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I hated short oil. I was throwing black beauty and blue dots while most eveyone else was throwing purple angles, black udots, or something like that.
Thanks for the props BrunsMike!
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I wasnt a bowler pre 1990 but I came into the game where Urethanes were 85% of the market and the big hook meant something still. I used the Ebonite Gyro, Burgandy Hammer, Black Hammer and there were others still that i used. These balls you had to learn how to hook, to me they were very similar to the 1980's style of lanes, was the shot back then easy? for me no as i was only 10-16 years old before reactives started to make an appearance to the bowling industry. I was in my youth years during this time, I sure wish i was bowling in the 1980's instead of now.
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Winter season averages at Sunset Lanes in Waukegan IL.
Wed. Nite Ave: 197
Thur. Nite Ave: 217
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Post by: Scooterdog on January 02, 2007, 10:04:23 PM
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Now, if you tug it 5 boards it sets up in the hole, or if you miss right by five boards, it comes screamin back to the pocket.
This most likely is an exageration. If I'm playing 11 board and hit 16 there is no way I'm in the hole. I don't think its even possible to miss my mark by that much. BUT if you are talking about the break point that is another animal all together. I've been thru C.A.T.S and my accuracy was within 2.1 inches at the arrows but a whopping 5 to 7 inches at the break point. I've been within 2 inches at the break point for 8 shots but always seem to spray 2 shots. That's why I'm not a pro .
Those 2 shots will kill a good game.Scooterdog
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Post by: Rev_O on January 02, 2007, 10:10:09 PM
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Now, if you tug it 5 boards it sets up in the hole, or if you miss right by five boards, it comes screamin back to the pocket.
This most likely is an exageration. If I'm playing 11 board and hit 16 there is no way I'm in the hole. I don't think its even possible to miss my mark by that much. BUT if you are talking about the break point that is another animal all together. I've been thru C.A.T.S and my accuracy was within 2.1 inches at the arrows but a whopping 5 to 7 inches at the break point. I've been within 2 inches at the break point for 8 shots but always seem to spray 2 shots. That's why I'm not a pro .
Scooterdog
Sorry scooter, NO Exageration. I've seen guys playing 10 hit 15 and crush the hole, and the same guy next frame gets it out to the 3 board and gets it back for a strike. Is that showing bowling SKILL???
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Post by: BrunsMike on January 02, 2007, 10:13:02 PM
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Now, if you tug it 5 boards it sets up in the hole, or if you miss right by five boards, it comes screamin back to the pocket.
This most likely is an exageration. If I'm playing 11 board and hit 16 there is no way I'm in the hole. I don't think its even possible to miss my mark by that much. BUT if you are talking about the break point that is another animal all together. I've been thru C.A.T.S and my accuracy was within 2.1 inches at the arrows but a whopping 5 to 7 inches at the break point. I've been within 2 inches at the break point for 8 shots but always seem to spray 2 shots. That's why I'm not a pro .
Scooterdog
Sorry scooter, NO Exageration. I've seen guys playing 10 hit 15 and crush the hole, and the same guy next frame gets it out to the 3 board and gets it back for a strike. Is that showing bowling SKILL???
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Ummmmm sure to the THS hack! For the 1% of skilled bowlers (this entire site) no!
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Winter season averages at Sunset Lanes in Waukegan IL.
Wed. Nite Ave: 197
Thur. Nite Ave: 217
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Post by: Rev_O on January 02, 2007, 10:13:24 PM
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One of my real enjoyments is to watch these cats stand left and crank it right and miss so far that they stomp their foot and cuss, only to see the ball scream back and hit flush. Or seeing the cat that tugged it a mile and watch the ball hold and hit high flush.
The big difference is that today on a soft shot, when you miss, you're left with a single pin or something easy to make. When I'm on a tough shot and throw is like an idiot, I'm looking at buckets, 2-4-7's, and washouts. When you get to shoot at the back row and 6 pins instead of the ugly stuff, it really adds up.
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Post by: Scooterdog on January 02, 2007, 10:21:47 PM
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Sorry scooter, NO Exageration. I've seen guys playing 10 hit 15 and crush the hole, and the same guy next frame gets it out to the 3 board and gets it back for a strike. Is that showing bowling SKILL???
Wow, that's incredible ! There is not much skill in that. That's the whole problem ! Easy conditions blur the separation of the bowlers. I most likely will still out average these type of bowlers. BUT not by as much as I should. Looks like the only place to compete is in the PBA regionals.
Scooterdog
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Post by: Rev_O on January 02, 2007, 10:42:22 PM
Think about it, if you miss by 3-5 boards, should you strike??
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 02, 2007, 11:07:37 PM
There is also a 760 by a woman!
In the top league is a multitime regional champ.
And a guy #2 or #3 on the all time 300 list!
Things are too easy!
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Post by: BrunsMike on January 02, 2007, 11:08:38 PM
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Below, my stats from previous seasons:
http://members.bowl.com/FindAMember/memberView.aspx?ms=12886&mp=552&s=2005-2006
Winter season averages at Sunset Lanes in Waukegan IL.
Wed. Nite Ave: 197
Thur. Nite Ave: 217
http://www.BrunsNick.com
Post by: alloutsmith3 on January 03, 2007, 07:28:01 AM
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...I just don't throw the ball bad enough to score with some of the people around here. I don't know I'm just tired of getting beat by people that can't hit within 5 boards of the same mark from frame to frame.
I don't bowl league so I don't know, but what you're saying seems so contradictory. You're tired of losing to people worse than you because of a THS? But if you're better, shouldn't you be beating them regardless? I can understand complaining about honor scores being less meaningful but I don't see how it gives the less skillful bowler an advantage. Logically scores will go up equally for both at worst and in my opinion more so for the more skillful bowler. Could you discuss this a little more so I may understand your point of view?
When the shot is as easy as it is it comes down to carry and not who can make it to the pocket. This doesn't bother me so much in league as it does when bowling in local tournaments. I didn't really mean that they have an advantage, but that when I do make a mistake its not usually big enough to be rewarded with a strike. I see alot of guys around here throw a really bad ball and strike and I'll throw one thats not good but not bad either and leave a corner pin or something. Like I said I don't consider myself a great bowler and I don't want to come off that way but I am able to hit my mark, keep ball speed and rotation on the ball consistent. I do understand what your saying and in the long haul I do average higher than these guys because I make my spares and I can string stikes. But in a short format tournament the long haul doesn't matter.
Post by: alloutsmith3 on January 03, 2007, 07:41:04 AM
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Why is everyone still complaining about these shots?
Why are all of you requesting hard shots but not doing anything about it?
Why are all of you blaming the USBC for this.. when it's been these easy shots for years?
You know what you can do smarta$ses? Make a sport shot league yourself.
Over the summer I made a Junior Sport Shot League and it was great since it helped me out alot and it was fun to bowl and be president and all.
Take a little time, talk to your center, find some hard shots, makes em legal, and sanction your sport shot league.
And if your too lazy to even sanction it.. just find harder shots and call it a Sport Shot league and don't both with the sanction!
I'm so friggin sick and tired of you people complaining about the shots.. do something about it instead of sitting at the computer on here saying it's so easy.. since if you bowl on those shots.. the people who call other people sprayers.. will even see they spray the ball way too much!
-Chris
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Its just that easy huh? I'll just march on down to my local center and tell the manager that he's going to have a sport shot league wether he likes it or not
. Believe me, I have tried numerous times, and so have others, to get a sport, regional or PBA shot league going but when the managers at the local centers shoot you down theres nothing you can do. There are some summer leagues that follow the sport format but to me thats like going on a diet for just 3 months of the year, it does almost no good, I want to bowl on something that will make me better all year round. I guess I can't really blame the managers, if I managed a center and could fill the house with a league or fill half the house with a league I know which I would choose.Edited on 1/3/2007 8:41 AM
Post by: Gene J Kanak on January 03, 2007, 07:59:08 AM
In general, house shots are very easy; that's why I take no particular pride in my 229 average. Instead, I measure myself by how I fare in tournaments and on tougher patterns.
The fact is this: bowling centers are not going to put out tough conditions because that's not what 99% of the bowling population wants. For as easy as I find our house pattern, there are 50 plus other guys who think it's a grind and feel that it needs to be lightened up. Is the house going to change just to appease me? No. So, I go out there and whack the house for all that I can week in and week out. I don't think that I'm great because I can shoot this number or average this. I take it for what it is. I go to tournaments to truly begin measuring where my game is at.
If you don't like bowling on soft conditions, use plastic only, find a sport league, or quit. Those are your options. Pick one and please stop coming on here starting new posts about how easy the game is. Anyone who is even decent at the game already knows all about it. Since it's not going to change, there's no point in beating this horse any deader than it already is.
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Post by: Brunner on January 03, 2007, 08:27:58 AM
Isn't Chris Lucas from S.D.????
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Post by: Bowler19 on January 03, 2007, 08:29:30 AM
If there was a sport league in my area I would bowl for sure but no chance of that happening. I guess I will just have to settle for tournaments with tough patterns and use plastic in league.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 03, 2007, 01:21:52 PM
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: Spider Ball Bowler on January 03, 2007, 01:25:59 PM
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Even though I never missed the pocket I seemed to have half the d**m lane. If I throw the ball better I most likely never even get the eight. Of all the eights I've thrown this is by far the worst I've thrown it.
SO, This is what frustrates me. Are you telling me that all the hard work I have put in to my game to be sure I throw good shots and hit my mark were for nothing and actually have hindered me if mt intention is to bowl well on a THS?
I can't say I have ever felt as though I had half the lane to work with. Maybe in some parts this is the case but I just don't see it around here. Anyone here from Michigan that can tell me where to go to find these incredably easy conditions?
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Sunnybrook Lanes is very easy when they put down there house shot. I shot 1125 and 1178 in 2 tournaments there in 5 games, and didn't make the cut once.
Van Dyke Bowl when putting out their easy shot, which they have modified this season is very easy.
300 Bowl puts down a cake shot as well.
The only place that I've bowled that had tough conditions in a LEAGUE is Bowl One..and only on Friday nights in the classic league. Any other night, not so hard.
The tournament series I bowl on now puts up some pretty tough shots 8 out of 10 times. It's fun to see guys who average 220 shoot -80 for 4 games. It's one of the only series, where you don't have to shoot the lights out to qualify.
This season I've bowled two. 1040 for 5, and 807 for 4 and qualified in the top 10 both times.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 03, 2007, 06:33:25 PM
The theme of this website as evidenced by this post are the following...
If you can't bowl sport you can't bowl.
The initial posters post...I threw 800 and I threw bad that's how bad this game sucks.
Well for the other 99.5% of us who don't have an 800 but like to bowl and strive to get better and come to this website to learn...a nice kick in the teeth from the elites!
Recently I saw a local guy throw 800 and it was awesome. After a split in the second frame of game 3 I believe he needed to strike thru the 11th to get a chance at 800. He did it! It was a strong house wall. When he got the 11th(not all balls were spliced) the sucky bowlers in his league stood and applauded him as he finished his 804! It was gutsy...classy and power bowlin at it's best.
What do we know...we loved it!
From my good friend and multiple regional champ friend who recently had an 83x...as he said..."I didn't have it as good as I shot but it was still "FUN"".
For the elitists of this site making up the top 1/2% of the bowling world...great. For the rest of us who like to bowl and think every 300 and 800 we see is great...I think we have it better. Real enjoyment of our high series and good days. Not total disgust that a house shot allows an 800!
My view...someone shot 800...someone shot a bunch of em and put plagues on his wall...congratulations and shake his hand. Disparage him and denigrate his accomplishment...why?
Someone puts a lot of plagues on his wall and is in the business of selling bowling equipment I say..."Why Not!?"...it helps his business.
Upon further review I find a Chris Lucas out of Oklahoma with a 69 game average of 253...to my mind...great. Whether he has the game to be a success on tour or a life that accomadates bowling on the pro tour great. If he doesn't...to me...he's still something special. And deserves Kudos not criticism or denigration. From what I see...few are lauded...ie Walter Ray and Norm Duke about the only two I see...
most are chided out here...WHY?
But what do I know. I'm not in that 1/2 of 1% of bowlers that are so good that they can look at an 800 and sneer! Or find fault.
It's nice to see people do outstanding things. My hats off to them!
REgards,
Luckylefty
PS whether I speak for others or not I can't say. But increasingly this is a website of elitist people that spend a LOT of time denigrating and criticizing the accomplishments of others on house conditions...WHY? For others that enjoy every 700 we throw house condition or not...this site is becoming more and more for the top of the tiniest sliver of elite bowler...which leaves the rest of us who can't shoot 800 on our "off" days looking up at scoring elite of ball reviews. Is that the intention...a site for only the 1/2 of 1% of top bowlers in the WORLD?
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Post by: 230-n-up-or-bust on January 03, 2007, 06:38:34 PM
Everyman.
Good post.
BTW, scooterdog, congrats on the 826. Even if you didn't deserve it.
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Post by: No Open Tenths on January 03, 2007, 06:45:08 PM
It's going to be a long year.
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Post by: rackattack on January 03, 2007, 08:55:38 PM
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final proof that a bowling is too easy.... a guy is shooting honor scores and his ball has his name engraved on it.....
Absolutly!This shmoo is too stupid to buy a new ball every week.
This dufas goes into the local pro shop and talks to the guy running it for advice.Then he takes his old ball out on the lanes so the guy can get an idea of his style and needs.
Then he follows the guy back into the shop to drill up(at a horribly inflated price cause he don't shop online)the ball he recommends.As the shop guy is drilling the new ball he asks if he wants his name on it cause he noticed it was on the old ball.Dumb bowler figures what the heck cause he just put down $180 and he's gonna put a couple hundred games on it and give it away.This clown doesn't realize if he just puts 5 games on it he can get $50 for it on Ballreviews.
This loser then takes his joke of a ball out on the lanes and has the time of his life posting a score USBC is gonna give him an award for.Never realizes he's being laughed at by all the elite bowlers cause if he can do it with his name on the ball it don't mean ****.
This IS the final proof there is no reason to bowl anymore.Ya THATS the ticket!
I'll take Sawbones and any guy like him on my team any day and if it will help I'll engrave my full name AND address on my ball.
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Post by: pin-chaser on January 03, 2007, 08:57:59 PM
I remember topics years ago about the average award score used to be 1 in 130,000 and recently its 1 in less than 100.
Lets not isolate the reason for the scoring pace being limited to balls or patterns. Lane surfaces are also a serious factor. Stronger competition between centers have caused them to keep in repair flat gutters and pin decks, kick backs. The centers that are producing lots of scores are doing many more things consistantly correctly. Not to mention as pointed out on here that knowledge of bowling know how is exponentially better than ever.
In the 80's I averaged in the 220's and had many 300's/800's. And in all honesty being a head mechanic all those years we tried everything we could think of to "bend" the rules to allow higher scoring. Dont begin to think that the 80's are considered "back in the day" because our scores were inflated then as well.
I shot my first 300 back in 1977 on a pattern of 10 to 10 oiled 28 ft buffed to 38 ft with 3 coats of oil in both directions. Still this was when it was 1 in 75,000 award scores. I got a real (10k)gold ring with a real ruby and a real diamond in the middle (of course this was the last year they gave gold rings away for free). I started bowling in germany on military bases in the mid 70's as a youth/adult and averaging 190's. I walked into the US bowling centers and instantly average 210's over nite.
For anyone who has not bowled through the transition of the 70's through today, you can not understand how simple the game has become. Just as I cannot understand how simple the game became from the 50's to the 70's. No matter what the majority of bowlers say (because they have not transitioned over the years) the game is unbelievably easy...PERIOD. The numbers speak for themselves... a 261 national high average, a 230+ (sport compliant national average...LOL). 99.9% of all national high scores have been re-established in the past 4 years. More award scores per bowler, and 1000% increase in award scores with 75% less bowlers than in the 70's.
The bottom line is, when you learn to take advantage of todays technology (and I am not refering to only bowling balls) the games becomes a joke. Because you go beyond the curve where skill is lessoned and you understand it.
Truthfully I quit this bowling game two years ago watching what I saw. My son asked me to bowl with him this year so I shoed up and do not practice, I dont take the game serious and of course I suck.. averaging 215 at the break but averaging about 225 for the last 6 weeks. Why?? Because I have drilled up new equipement to better exploit the THS, surface, pin decks. I am over the hill, 70 lbs over weight and still I keep up with the Jones. Thats not to point out that I am a good bowler but to point out that it is not about skill cause I dont have much anymore and I freely acknowledge it albeit I dont want to accept it.
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Post by: rackattack on January 03, 2007, 09:49:11 PM
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I don't take the game serious and of course I suck.. averaging 215 at the break but averaging about 225 for the last 6 weeks. Why?? Because I have drilled up new equipment to better exploit the THS, surface, pin decks. I am over the hill, 70 lbs over weight and still I keep up with the Jones. Thats not to point out that I am a good bowler but to point out that it is not about skill cause I don't have much anymore and I freely acknowledge it albeit I don't want to accept it.
I'm surprised at this.By your profile I would take you as a serious bowler.Many tournaments,high averages and award scores.All listed along with an eight ball arsenal.With that level of achievement can't picture you as a bowler without skill anymore but I'm sure it is as you say.
I myself bowl on noncompliant sport conditions but also bowl with my son on a THS.I,like you,take advantage of the new equipment to conquer both lane conditions.Unlike you I'm grateful for this because as I advance in age my physical abilities and skills are deteorating and I can still bowl at the level I need to be at to enjoy the game.The numbers are just higher now.But so are the jackpots.I prefer receiving to giving.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 04, 2007, 08:36:40 AM
Whether the pins fell down as easy I don't remember.
But I do remember it seemed easier to find the pocket every day!
I have mentioned this before and if I remember right a man I respect out here...Bob Hanson agreed with me!
Easier to knock pins down today if one is a power bowler ...I guess so.
I'm not really one so I don't know.
Easy to shoot 800. I guess so...but the house I bowl in occassionally is still waiting for it's first one from a lefthander in 5 years!
Easy to shoot a 300?...I bowl in another one and a guy just shot the first one of the winter season(pretty good mens league)...not a hard shot they just hadn't fallen(a few 299s).
He had to wait five minutes between ball 11 and 12...to get to fire due to the ball return. We all stood and applauded after the 12th ball!
What do we know?
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: DP3 on January 04, 2007, 08:37:20 AM
The reason the best bowlers are the best is because of their versatility and ability to score high and consistant over the long haul on any pattern.
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 04, 2007, 08:54:37 AM
A guy in front of me state high school champ over a bunch of still prominant pro golfers. A guy behind me an eventual state amateur champ and still record holder for score.
The eventual state amateur champ was quite a piece. His favorite routine was telling everyone that he hadn't practiced...he was drunk...the courses were easy and how come everyone else sucked so much they couldn't beat him...after all he never even worked or cared about his game! This endeared him to many others...his opponents...his teammates...etc.
I remember about 10 years later I ran into several of our teammates as he was chasing his eventual state amateur championship. If he had changed none of us knew as many would avoid this pleasant fellow if we could.
One guy mused..."if you could wish a guy would shoot a 93 and fall down a ravine and break his leg on his last hole this would be the guy".
He didn't. At his championship celebration...not one guy he grew up with playing was able to make it.
Denigrating the guy...who walks in once a week to bowl...or has started recently to bowl say over the last few years and their feeble attempts at shooting 700, 300, and 800 is as endearing as our state amateur champ above...
Or Mike Scroggins long regretted remark of "thrown like a league bowler!"
Kudos to all the once a week warriors and their 250s and up and all their 650s and up! Still a thrill!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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Post by: Scooterdog on January 04, 2007, 09:31:37 PM
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Well for the other 99.5% of us who don't have an 800 but like to bowl and strive to get better and come to this website to learn...a nice kick in the teeth from the elites!
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Denigrating the guy...who walks in once a week to bowl...or has started recently to bowl say over the last few years and their feeble attempts at shooting 700, 300, and 800 is as endearing as our state amateur champ above...
Or Mike Scroggins long regretted remark of "thrown like a league bowler!"
HOLY TWISTED WORDS BATMAN !!!
Saying I did not throw the ball very well but still shot 826. ABC needs to go back to the old standards. Does NOT EQUAL (<>
everybody that can't throw an 800 or 300 on this soft condition sucks. I'll be more than glad to help anybody with their game or explain to them what needs to be done to get to another level.If I'm bowling a regional and I ask Norm Duke how he hit his 6 game block. He tells me I threw the ball bad but I'm +200. Now I'm -100 and don't think I'm throwing it that bad. Do you honestly think that in my mind I'm thinking "Norm is really saying I suck ?" What a B.S attitude that would be. What I get from this is a couple of things. First, I need to go and check out where Norm is playing. Is he hooking it ? Is he playing dead straight ? Where's his break point ?
Is his game that much better then mine ? WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO TO IMPROVE MYSELF !!!
Not, Norm is bowling bad and still scoring. He just made me feeeeeel bad.
Yeah Lucky I just know your are a Dem.
Scooterdog
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Post by: LuckyLefty on January 05, 2007, 12:12:49 AM
How to throw 800 and throw it bad? It sounds like a title of a best selling book...that I know I would buy!
I'll take it!
(I've never seen a bad one yet...but!
REgards,
Luckylefty
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