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scrub49

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Starting Top Weight
« on: June 17, 2015, 05:09:28 PM »
I was told by my pro shop manger one time that with my slow ball speed that my ending Top weight should be at least around 1 1/4 oz. or more need some input please.

 

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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2015, 11:35:52 AM »
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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2015, 06:58:09 PM »
That was very funny Pat,and so very true !

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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #18 on: June 21, 2015, 03:22:45 PM »
I was told by someone on facebook that a ball of mine that has relatively low top weight (~1 1/3 oz) was undrillable. Granted, it was a X Blem (long pin) and I am uncertain if the top weight and long pin was a bad combination, but he seemed to imply that it couldn't be drilled BECAUSE of the top weight ALONE.

My apologies in advance for hijacking this thread.

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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #19 on: June 21, 2015, 03:28:55 PM »
Nothing wrong with those specs...go to another pro shop driller
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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2015, 05:59:34 PM »
Balls that suck to drill are the ones with high top weight (4oz) and a short pin (less than 2")..There's not many options for drill layouts  with that combination

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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #21 on: June 21, 2015, 07:29:58 PM »
Nothing wrong with those specs...go to another pro shop driller
It wasn't my pso that told me that; it was someone in a facebook group I was in. I haven't discussed this ball with my pso yet.

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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2015, 02:26:23 PM »
Guys, remember, static weights only matter for USBC legality..

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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2015, 02:50:48 PM »
Guys, remember, static weights only matter for USBC legality..


Actually it still matters in most plastic balls and in balls like the Columbia Scout which still uses a pancake core.
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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2015, 02:55:27 PM »
I bought a 900 global protocol a while back on ebay, it was an x-out because of only having a 3/4 ounce top weight. I drilled pin over bridge and cg/mb kicked out slightly. Ball is still USBC legal, no weight hole needed and if it didn't say x- out on the box I would of never know the difference. Ball rolls just as good as all my first quality equipment.

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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2015, 05:55:30 PM »
CharlesT think outside the box...a puck is merely a low diff mass on a larger mass...so it's a low diff two piece core....statics still don't matter
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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2015, 09:49:54 PM »
CharlesT think outside the box...a puck is merely a low diff mass on a larger mass...so it's a low diff two piece core....statics still don't matter

It depends on your speed/rev rate ratio. It does, indeed, matter for rev dominant bowlers, like myself. I know; I've proved it to myself over and over again.

I know most of the bowlers you have dealt with are matched or even speed dominant in the PBA. The rest of us are not always so.
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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2015, 10:02:09 PM »
I deal with all types of bowlers and a variable in reaction is never statics...

My point or comment is in regards to looking at certain balls by terms...'it has a puck' or '3-piece'
The masses effect the reaction once in motion - static vs dynamic
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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2015, 10:47:41 PM »
I deal with all types of bowlers and a variable in reaction is never statics...

My point or comment is in regards to looking at certain balls by terms...'it has a puck' or '3-piece'
The masses effect the reaction once in motion - static vs dynamic

Yet again, our voice of reason and logic.

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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2015, 10:57:30 PM »
I deal with all types of bowlers and a variable in reaction is never statics...


Sorry, who am I to disagree with "God". As Strapper says, you are right all the time in everything bowling. Who be I but a Doubting Thomas, whose 55 years of studied observations means nothing at all. I bow before thee, Almighty God.
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Re: Starting Top Weight
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2015, 06:16:26 AM »
Static’s matter. They changed a balls reaction 40 years ago and they change a balls reaction today.

The difference today is that with the super reactive coverstocks and center heavy non-symetric cores statics have been pushed down the list of what causes a change in ball motion. But they still matter in tweaking a balls reaction.

Take a ball and put 4 or 5 ounces of side weight in it and see what happens. It  will drastically change the ball motion. You might say that is not possible but that is only because manufactures restrict the amount of top weight so that legal statics can be obtained.

I feel the biggest reason for bowlers pressing that statics don’t matter is because drillers are too lazy to balance a ball or too cheap to buy a scale to do it with.
No ball should be drilled without being balance, no ball. I have seen CG’s mismarked on the wrong side of the ball, I’ve seen them off by several inches. I’ve seen top weights off by 2 or 3 ounces of what was marked on the box. You cannot simply look at the markings on a ball and determine where to drill and guess the final statics.

I saw a guy at nationals one year complaining that they found his ball had 2.5 ounces of side weight and to make it legal they drilled out the extra (took a huge balance hole). During competition he was complaining on how the ball didn’t break like before. Sure the lane condition had something to do with that but he never liked the ball after he got back from nationals and on his house shot.
 
Top weight matters in that in conjunction with the pin distance on how you can drill the ball and whether a balance hole is required.