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skizzle

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State of bowling today
« on: June 12, 2014, 11:30:09 PM »
So with the state of bowling today, where do you see the future of bowling?

IMHO I think that the industry is splitting into two distinct groups. 
1.  All the bowling centers that have moved away from league play to focus on open play, corporate events and more of a entertainment nature.
2.  The rest of the centers (probably more individually owned) where league play is king and management is working to keep the leagues strong.

Would this be good or bad for bowling?
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kidlost2000

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Re: State of bowling today
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2014, 11:43:31 PM »
I think probably bad. I'm not familiar with many bowling centers that survive on open bowling and no leagues period. Leagues generate repeat business on a consistent basis when open play just doesn't.

You need both. Cost of bowling and the economy along with other factors has hurt bowling. Bowling and bowlers are not very great at growing the sport. It is also hard to do when most leagues are 32 weeks and more. That is something hard to get a non-bowler to commit to just to try something out.
« Last Edit: June 13, 2014, 07:49:07 AM by kidlost2000 »
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Re: State of bowling today
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2014, 06:19:36 AM »
I actually know of two that are open bowling only and both do fairly well. Granted they could both probably do better with leagues added, but leagues can drive away potential customers as well, especially if you are very league heavy ( heard lots of complaints over the years from people just never going because they got tired of never being able to get a lane due to leagues.)

The odd thing is I know lots of people that like bowling, and would do it more, they just don't even think about going. There simply isn't anything out there right now that sells the sport. I really think some timely advertising could help centers so much.

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Re: State of bowling today
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2014, 07:56:51 AM »
I live in a town with no bowling alley.  The closest centers are 25 miles away in just about any direction, so league or open bowling is a chore.  So when I found out that a new bowling alley was being built a mile from my house, I was ecstatic.  After doing some research on the developer, I found out they specialize in "entertainment centers".  Disappointment.  But good news, I will be able to play laser tag 24 hours a day /s.

The open bowl only centers are great for those people who just want to go have a fun time with bowling as the background activity.  But the ones who decide to get into the sport are left at a dead end, because there is no way to advance further into the sport in these places.  No leagues, no organized tournaments, just a dead end.

I am not against these places, but I just wish more of them would carve out a little time dedicates to providing leagues.  Give those open bowlers a reason to come back every week, and give league bowlers a reason to support you.

I still don't have the full details on the new center going up in my town, but I have looked into it.  They only have one other "entertainment center", and it actually does provide a limited USBC sanctioned league schedule.  Now I don't know if they maintain the lanes worth a damn, but at least they are trying.  Hopeful.
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Re: State of bowling today
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2014, 09:03:38 AM »
Bowling has to compete with so much more now than back in the "good ole days."

Golf, video games, organized sports and tons more are competing for peoples time and money.  25 years ago, soccer was non existent in my area.  Now, every kid, including my two play soccer.  There are huge soccer complexes everywhere.  Add in baseball, football and everything else. 

I think new bowling centers would benefit greatly to keep the leagues going as strong as they can.  But they also need lanes specifically for open bowling.  I have been to a house with 16 private lanes for open bowling only in addition to the 30+ lanes for league and open bowling.

It's a balance.  It's never going to be like it was.  Golf is experiencing the same thing.  Tiger is not a factor anymore, people are aren't watching as much anymore, people aren't playing as much and golf courses are starting to close.

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Re: State of bowling today
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2014, 11:42:40 AM »
As a league bowler I have to say unfortunately you will see more and more of #1 coming into existence. There are "Lucky Strike" centers popping up in more and more cities. These are more nightclub than bowling alley, they just happen to have lanes in them. The Bowlmor centers are popping up including their new Bowlero concept. There are "Lucky Strike" copycats coming out of the woodwork as well. Even centers that used to feature leagues are going to more of an open bowling, cosmic bowling model. It used to be the leagues were King in bowling centers. It mentioned about the repeat business, yada yada yada. It doesn't hold anymore. Why would want leagues, that are shrinking year after year for the most part, that get discounts on their lineage, and are only moderately supporting the bar, when you can charge 2-3x more per game to the open play bowler, also getting shoe rental (and sock purchases for centers that have it in some cases) and make more with less people. Plus, there is less costs as you only have to oil enough to keep the lanes from getting destroyed, maybe once a day or even less, with less volume. You can stretch your lane oil supply out 100-200% + over league play. If you get lucky, there will be a few centers that will still host leagues in every area.
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Re: State of bowling today
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2014, 09:29:50 PM »
You know I hear about the leagues getting smaller and smaller. Gee Is there any time at your center where a league bowler can bowl on dressed lanes on the weekend? Is there any time when the rates are not so high they can  afford to practice? Is the house clean? Is the staff helpful? I went to a center in Michigan and they had 3 games free each week for league bowlers to practice during the summer. They kept their bowlers practicing. Bowlers spend money all over the house if you give them a reason to go there. I am just saying a lot of owners don't try to hard. They could have 40 frame games on the weekend with small pots for the winners.
All it stakes is the software. there are lots of ways to get league bowlers to come back but an effort must be made. I spent $250 a month last year on leagues that's $3000 for the year . Give a little back and quit crying about us leaving this sport. Also PBA stop crying the shot is too easy how about a PBA tournament where you show us how well you can all bowl on a tHS. The public would love to see high scores from the pros. kinda like 7 NASCAR cars on the final lap all going for the checkered flag and the winner by a nose. Gee I think 2 pros striking every frame would be exciting and the  winner 300 to 299 just saying. Ever watch youth basketball every kid wants to sink the buzzer beater Just like the Pros. Why should I not want to score 300 in my sport just because I am not a PBA member. Just saying     

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Re: State of bowling today
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2014, 06:28:43 AM »
 People's expectations got too high.

 In no other sport or activity that I can think of, do so many of the participants actually believe that they can perform at the professional level. And, in no other sport or activity can I find a governing body that has allowed so much technological advancement in such a short time frame, or one that has allowed the playing of the sport to be so radically altered by those advancements in that same timeframe.  It changed so much, so fast, that it left one generation behind, and didn't allow time for the development of one to replace them.

  You don't have to be a professional, or compete under professional conditions, to enjoy a game of basketball, baseball, football, or a lot of other sports, so why is bowling different?

 I love to bowl.  I enjoy competing in leagues, I've bowled in a few P.B.A. regionals (even cashed in one), but I also enjoy going on a Saturday afternoon bowling with my wife and having to use my plastic ball because it's dry. I JUST LOVE TO KNOCK PINS DOWN!

 To me, it is a beautiful thing to watch a well thrown shot make its way downlane and sweep the pins away. I love to do it, and I love to see it done by others.

 If you love bowling, quit worrying about the state of things, and do something about it. Go bowling today, take the kids, the friends, or the family. Get others interested in doing it by showing them how much fun it is, by showing them it is worth the time and effort, and by getting them involved with something they may come to love as much as you do.
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Re: State of bowling today
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2014, 01:18:24 PM »
I have been bowling since 1960 when I joined my first junior league.  I still do not understand why so many of the top level scratch bowlers are so critical of the game.  I think bowling is a great game, and feel bad that fewer and fewer kids are getting a chance to try the game long enough to see if they like it. 

I understand the criticisms of the game, and many of them are true, but they still do not diminish the what makes the game great.  I think it is a strength of bowling that it is easy to learn, because it is still impossible to master.  At the highest pro level it is a shame that there isn't enough money to attract young people to the competitive side of the game.  Also, you young guys haven't thought about this yet, but being a sport where you can still be competitive at a pretty high level into your 50's is often over looked.

 I had lunch with a guy several years ago who was a good baseball player in college, good enough to get drafted to the lower minor leagues.  He wasn't good enough to make it to the majors, and his high level completion was done by the time he was 25.  He told me how much he envied my bowling in that I was able to compete in things like the Masters or PBA regionals well in to my 40's.  He never found another sport that he could compete at even a high local level in, and missed that competition terribly.     

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Re: State of bowling today
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2014, 02:17:47 PM »
I have been bowling since 1960 when I joined my first junior league.  I still do not understand why so many of the top level scratch bowlers are so critical of the game.  I think bowling is a great game, and feel bad that fewer and fewer kids are getting a chance to try the game long enough to see if they like it. 

I understand the criticisms of the game, and many of them are true, but they still do not diminish the what makes the game great.  I think it is a strength of bowling that it is easy to learn, because it is still impossible to master.  At the highest pro level it is a shame that there isn't enough money to attract young people to the competitive side of the game.  Also, you young guys haven't thought about this yet, but being a sport where you can still be competitive at a pretty high level into your 50's is often over looked. hat he could compete at even a high local level in, and missed that competition terribly.     

Well phrased, Bob. I agree with you.
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Re: State of bowling today
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2014, 05:15:17 PM »
I've noticed just by getting people to go with me that most people really do enjoy it. Obviously it might not be to the same level that I do, but they have a good time.

I've had several friends tell me they wished they could roll it like me, and I tell them they can, its not hard. I think so many people see throwing a hook as a super magical thing that happens. Once I explain how it works, I usually get a " thats it? " to which I follow up usually with " playing the game is easy, mastering it isn't ".

Its the reason I think bowling is its own worst enemy. They seem to do little to promote it locally, with everything else going on people just don't think about it. I still believe more than technology, the lack of focus at the local level is what is killing it. Its like everyone wants to just put all the work into big events and hope people notice. You don't grow that way, you grow from the bottom up.

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Re: State of bowling today
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2014, 06:22:54 PM »
I don't think technology has had much to do with it.  Bowling boomed in popularity with the introduction of the automatic pinsetter, but was not able to shake the image of smoky pool rooms in the minds of the country club class who dominated board rooms and enjoyed the elite snob appeal of golf.  As a result bowling was unable to get the kind of money behind the professional game that would have seemed to be justified by tv ratings and the overall popularity of the game in the 60's.  It was inevitable that competition from other recreation activities would cut way into the organized local league paradigm.  However, had the pro game evolved financially bowling could be in the position of golf with lots of recreational participation ( which the game has ) plus a competitive level that would entice more youngsters to pursue the game seriously.