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Nicanor

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Static weights, how important are they
« on: August 16, 2009, 09:02:52 AM »
I was wondering how important static weights are to ball performance?




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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2009, 05:06:55 PM »
This should be fun.
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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2009, 05:11:06 PM »
Here's you horse...it's dead. Now please starting beating it...to death.
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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2009, 05:21:58 PM »
i would say they matter on pancake balls.  thats about it.
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Nicanor

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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2009, 05:22:31 PM »
No really, I've read a lot of posts about static weights and a lot about how Lane 1 totally believes static weights make a difference.

But I bring this up because after all those discussions about static weights, now I read on AMF's drill sheet for the Sideways (I'm sure the drill sheet is generic)that they recommend to bring the the ball back to 1/2 ounce side weight.  

Why would they put that into print if they didn't believe static weights makes a difference?


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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2009, 05:24:03 PM »
On a performance level, as in how much they effect the performance. NONE.
The question was not in regards to USBC standards. It was how they effect performance. So the answer is NONE.


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Nicanor

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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2009, 05:25:31 PM »
JustRico,

Then why does AMF put emphasis on side weight?  Did they not do the R & D on the ball to see how the ball best performs?


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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2009, 05:28:32 PM »
In a nutshell...more than likely NOT.
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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2009, 06:08:20 PM »
They say bring it back to 1/2 oz positive because whatever drilling you're looking at is requiring an x-hole.  The use and location of that xhole is to modify the shape of the reaction, not the actual static weight itself.  You can get 1/2oz positive weight with hundereds of thousands of variables considering weighthole locations, sizes, and depths.  Now guess what?  With all of those hundreds of layout variations that will yeild the same ending statics, they will roll differently.  Why?  Because of the location, size, and depth of the x-hole which is going to change the roll of the ball path and make the bal stabilize quicker, later, and affect the flare potential.

Call AMF up for an explaination.  I'm 100% sure they'll tell you the same thing.  

You'd think after 4-6 years of the same thing over and over that some people would be willing to accept a completely logical and proven theory besides the same group of guys on one side of the fence.

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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2009, 06:35:25 PM »
I'm not on any side of the fence.  But why can't I leave it at one ounce instead of 1/2 ounce if it doesn't make a difference?  Its still legal.


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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #10 on: August 16, 2009, 06:40:21 PM »
If you leave it at one ounce, the ball will most likely self destruct and the No Carry Demon will rise from out the ashes of the core to haunt you with plack dimes for the rest of eternity.  I've seen it happen before.

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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2009, 07:57:03 PM »
You can leave it at 1 ounce but whos to say your scales will measure the same as another scale
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Nicanor

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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2009, 08:04:35 PM »
OK, how about 3/4 of an ounce or 1/4 ounce or maybe negative side weight?  I realize leaving the side weight at 1 ounce might get you into trouble (not real trouble, but out of legal limits) at a tournament that weighs the bowling balls.




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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2009, 08:05:20 PM »
Static weights don't mean crap. As i said on a previous post on here if it was not for a couple of the old goats on the usbc...that rule would not exist. The only reason it gets checked at the nationals is because there is a rule.

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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2009, 08:17:51 PM »
quote:
OK, how about 3/4 of an ounce or 1/4 ounce or maybe negative side weight?  I realize leaving the side weight at 1 ounce might get you into trouble (not real trouble, but out of legal limits) at a tournament that weighs the bowling balls.




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Nicanor,

It is my interpretation that the 1/2 ounce statement by AMF is intended to make sure that you get the ball back to under 1 ounce of static weight. 1/2 ounce would allow for variations in scales across the country.

JustRico is right. DP3 is right. Statics mean nothing. Weight hole size, depth, location does. Think about it. Do you really think that 1 ounce makes a difference in a ball that weighs close to 16lb?
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