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Nicanor

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Static weights, how important are they
« on: August 16, 2009, 09:02:52 AM »
I was wondering how important static weights are to ball performance?




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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2009, 08:19:09 PM »
I'm not saying statics weights matter or don't matter, but why would AMF put it in their drill sheet to bring the side weight back to 1/2 ounce if it didn't make a difference?  They must have done some R&D on the ball to make the determination that 1/2 ounce is the best side weight for this ball.


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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2009, 08:22:48 PM »
The 1/2 ounce statement by AMF is intended to make sure that you get the ball back to under 1 ounce of static weight. 1/2 ounce would allow for variations in scales across the country.

This is most likely the real reason.....
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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2009, 08:27:15 PM »
Sunsetlefty,

I could agree that your thought of the possibility that the 1/2 ounce sideweight was to make sure it stayed legal across the board.  I don't know, but its a possibility.




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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2009, 08:31:02 PM »
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Sunsetlefty,

I could agree that your thought of the possibility that the 1/2 ounce sideweight was to make sure it stayed legal across the board.  I don't know, but its a possibility.




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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2009, 08:31:13 PM »
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I'm not saying statics weights matter or don't matter, but why would AMF put it in their drill sheet to bring the side weight back to 1/2 ounce if it didn't make a difference?  They must have done some R&D on the ball to make the determination that 1/2 ounce is the best side weight for this ball.

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Barry,

As far as I know, Brunswick recommends or used to recommend the same thing and, as far as I know, the purpose was exactly what DP3 said it was, to allow you to use a weight hole in case you wanted OR needed to change the ball reaction. I'm fairly certain that the old San Antonio-based Columbia used recommend the same thing back in the 90s.

Remember that with pancake cored balls, static weights have a great deal of influence and many drillers AND MOST BOWLERS are still mentally stuck in that mind-set. (In my opinion) Slight positive statics help people become emotionally comfortable with their drilled ball.
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Nicanor

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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2009, 08:36:50 PM »
Thank you Jeff.  I'm from the old school and put too much emphasis on static weights but I'm not 100 percent sure that static weights don't have some effect on the ball.  Maybe I'm thick like a brick.

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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2009, 08:59:21 PM »
Absolutebowling,

Thank you for the feedback and the drilling recommendation for the Sideways.  I kinda think I'm drilling my bowling balls too strong for a shorter lighter oil or even a swing ball.  I think they are rolling out or burning up.  My ball speed is fast so on a fresh oil pattern I'm averaving very well, but when they dry up and I have to move in deep, my bowling balls don't turn the corner.

Thanks again for your time and suggestion,
Barry
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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2009, 09:13:54 PM »
Wrong forum.  Please move this to the Lane #1 forum.

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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2009, 09:25:18 PM »
I don't think it belongs in the Lane 1 forum, we even talked about the AMF Sideways, but I know you're just being funny.

I agree that my ball speed is fast and I can adjust it, but it seems the bowling balls are rolling out or burning up, not throwing them through the break point.

But all feedback is welcome, maybe even a release recommendation.




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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2009, 09:33:56 PM »
Surface dictates length and flare effects the way the bowling will change direction when it slows down, as will a weight hole.
If your ball speed is on the higher side, it is more than likely not burning up. It is more than likely fighting itself thus not allowing it to change direction. A bowling ball generally tries to change direction with the proper amount of side rotation applied. If the surface is correct, it will slow down and have a chance to change direction.
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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2009, 09:40:26 PM »
Static weights have the same minor affect they did in the dark ages when they were all drillers had to work with.  Now we have pin to PAP distance mass bias position and balance hole location, diameter and depth (in decreasing order of affect).  These all have so much more affect than statics that statics become negligible.  --  JohnP

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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2009, 09:43:09 PM »
Surface is number one....
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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2009, 09:50:45 PM »
I'm with dp on this.  The differences of reaction have virtually NOTHING to do with the ending static weights.  It is based on how the core has been tipped or rotated which dictates the reaction AND can cause there to be static weights.  Static weights are just measurements at this point.  Like dp said, how can a certain measurement that has 10000s of ways of achieving it possibly dictate a specific reaction?  In the simplest terms a 1/2oz sideweight can be achieved by laying a ball out with the pin up or down in regards to the fingers.  Do these layouts roll the same?  According to some they should because the sideweight is the same.  
Now also in strictly Physics terms, something that is <1oz has next to nothing of an affect of something that is 7-8lbs.  Please stop the insanity and realize that its not the static weight itself and that its the 97 other variables that got you to that static weight.

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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2009, 10:35:17 PM »
static weight limitations and proper cleaners you can use on your bowling balls are just two of the stone-age rules that the usbc still tries to enforce. they need to move out of the 1970's.


surface preparation and pin placement should be your primary concerns on ball reaction.



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Re: Static weights, how important are they
« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2009, 10:44:56 PM »
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I suppose its better than having 5 years of RnD to release a couple of balls that were considered duds by the majority of customers.


not the biggest brunswick fan but i bet those DUDS outsold everything AMF had on the market at the time...just sayin'