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Frederick

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Staying behind the ball
« on: June 11, 2008, 07:55:28 AM »
I can't seem to do it. I turn the ball to early which causes me to spin the ball too much. I have a low track with lots of flare and because of that I get a lot of over and under. My buddy told me that I will never be really good with that kind of roll. I need to raise my track and get more forward/side roll on the ball. I know without seeing me bowl its hard to offer advice but I was just wondering what some of you did to teach yourself to stay behind the ball longer.

 

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Re: Staying behind the ball
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2008, 04:18:17 PM »
I started out by exaggerating and just throwing the ball end over end with no side turn at all.  Not with a broken wrist, but keeping the wrist firm, kind of results in revving the ball "forward".  Also, while you are doing that, keep the flat spot on top "inside joint" of your elbow facing the forward then the ceiling, try not to let it turn in and face your body, this will help you stay behind the ball and not have a flying elbow or "chicken winging".

After getting comfortable with that, while making sure to keep your elbow in the correct position (described above), allow your hand to rotate slightly, but never finish with your thumb pointing any left of 12:00 (assuming right handed).  Be patient in your swing, it is hard to wait too long before turning the ball and easy to turn it early.

I hope this was more helpful than confusing.  The big thing is to not be afraid to over-exaggerate, if it feels funny or "bad" you are probably doing the right thing.

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Re: Staying behind the ball
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2008, 04:18:21 PM »
Hello,

You can do two things. Just stay with your natural release and train on consistency. This is the most important thing with all releases. You can score well with a low track, just let your equipment get the right layout for it.Especially with over under reaction.

If you want to bring your track up, let that be your only focus for the moment.
Think during your approach "stay behind the ball" and nothing else.
In the beginning you may have to exaggerate for your feeling, because what is behind the ball for you is still over the ball in real.
Try to throw a straight ball for your feeling and see what it does.

The next step for me was, getting aware of when the ball comes off the thumb.
This is the moment you start your turn. For you this will feel real late.

It can also be a timing problem. When the ball is there before you, you will pull the ball. This you can only check by seeing yourself bowl by videotaping. For me still the best confrontation with my mistakes. Most people have a late timing, not an early, so I won't start looking there.

Just put yourself on tape. (bowling!)

I went from a spinner to a semi-roller.

Good luck and practice.

Greetings,

Antoine

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Re: Staying behind the ball
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2008, 04:22:28 PM »
MCK,

same time, same thoughts.

I also think when I release " bowl upwards".

So stay behind the ball and bowl upwards.

Frederick

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Re: Staying behind the ball
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2008, 04:32:37 PM »
Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it. I'm off to go practice..

Oldskool2

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Re: Staying behind the ball
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2008, 04:39:16 PM »
Maybe this will help.


http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/roncarchive.htm

Ron Clifton's coaching articles.

Tip 35 to 38.

Also the rest is interesting


Edited on 6/11/2008 4:40 PM

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Re: Staying behind the ball
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2008, 05:06:46 PM »
Oldskool2,

I couldn't agree more about getting your self on tape.  Tape doesn't lie, you may think you are doing something, but getting it on tape is the best confirmation.

chitown

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Re: Staying behind the ball
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2008, 05:19:32 PM »
Put a lot of pressure on your ring finger during the release.  This will help stay behind the ball.

dizzyfugu

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Re: Staying behind the ball
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2008, 05:44:50 AM »
quote:
Put a lot of pressure on your ring finger during the release.  This will help stay behind the ball.


Second that - pushing the ball with the ring finger forward ("coming through the ball with it") has helped me to stay behind/under the ball longer and get the thumb out early enough.
Besides, some wrist training is never wrong, and conscious effort to keep the wrist straight.
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