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General Category => Miscellaneous => Topic started by: JohnN on March 10, 2016, 02:29:09 PM
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This has been my worst bowling season in many ,many, years. I am having a problem getting my ball to move. I throw equipment made to move, I don't throw fast (14-15 on Quibica),and I keep my equipment maintained. Old school says to come out with your hand in the handshake position. New school is to "stay behind the ball". I think my major problem is my release and not getting the # and angle of rotation. So maybe you could tell me exactly what you think staying behind the ball means to you. Is there a turn at the end ? Post or direct to good videos if you can. Thanks.
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Look at this video.
http://www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/how-to-increase-bowling-ball-rev-rate-008606/
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What is often seen as not staying behind the ball is the bowler having his/her elbow flare up prior to release of the ball, causing the wrist to support all of the weight and end up on top of the ball instead of underneath.
The easiest way to fix this is to keep your elbow tucked tight to your body on your downswing/follow through
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Staying behind the ball is a fallacy perception...if you literally stayed behind the ball, thru the release motion, you'd either throw with zero axis rotation or a back up ball
Staying behind the ball correctly translates to the forearm staying at the target or behind the ball and the wrist rotating around the bowling ball...the hand has to rotate to create rotation
The wrist supports under the ball keeping the release from breaking down and decreasing the strength potential...rotating from the inside or index finger side of the equator
Look at any sport that facilitates a swing...golf, baseball, tennis or bowling...the arm swing with the elbow staying up or towards the target and the wrist creates the reaction...forearm in tennis, drive in golf or baseball or rolling a bowling ball
Most loss of reaction can be equated to the wrist breaking down thus minimizing rotational strength or the cover being to strong shortening the lane or hook phase/window
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^^ Much better said
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If you stay behind the ball until your thumb exits the thumbhole, then rotate your hand, you will get the result you want.
The late John Jowdy was a big proponent of the "Ring Finger Lead" method.
This has been discussed here before.
http://www.ballreviews.com/miscellaneous/leading-with-the-ring-finger-t134403.0.html (http://www.ballreviews.com/miscellaneous/leading-with-the-ring-finger-t134403.0.html)
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I've watched that USBC video before and it seems like the message is you cant teach an old dog new tricks so don't even try. I'm not going to just take what I have and make the best of it. I've taken 15 strokes off my golf game in the last 5 years by trying new things and watching and listening. I'm not looking to become the next Jason Belmonte or some other cranker. Would like to increase my rev rate slightly or maybe a better explanation would be to improve the quality of revs I do have. Being a lefty and 63 years old ( but in half way decent shape) I would like to emulate the style of someone like Parker Bohn III.
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Then correctly understanding the game, the basics, fundamentals and what creates revolutions is what's necessary...you need to understand what your forearm and wrist are doing thru the swing motion as well as your swing plane plus timing...these are ALL what translates to improvement...
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You also have to fully understand what your body will and will not allow you to do...acceptance is an important part of Athletics...
Are you built like PBIII? Do you have the same abilities as PBIII? You need to understand who YOU are and what YOU can do...not someone else
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Former team USA-er Anthony Chapman gave me the greatest tip I've ever received in college for "staying under" the ball. "Tuck it in like you're putting the ball in your back pocket." Imagining that motion with my forearm coming under my back pocket changed my release forever.
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Some say to not try and hook, but to let your arm do what it normally does.
Try swinging your arm back and forth, you should notice that the hand turns as you go forward with it.
It should turn to a handshake by itself.
But your wrist might still "break", causing you to get a flat shot. So you can train your wrist by squeeze your hand a few times, and when you start feeling the burn, continue for a little while. But not for a long time, you could end up hurting yourself.
You could also get one of those balls you can squeeze on.
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Well,I'm left handed like PBIII.I like his style because it's simple and seems to be repetitive. But maybe I'm capable of more than I'm doing right now. I watch some of the hard throwing,high back swing, high revving younger guys and know that I'm NOT capable of that and won't even try.But I do think I'm capable of learning something new.
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JustRico's reply is absolutely correct. Staying behind the ball through the release
yields a ball with no side motion (hook). In some balls, especially balls with
asymmetric cores with very high intermediate differentials, the core's dynamics
will, in fact, allow the ball to "tip", even when released from behind. However, this motion is extremely minimal. The bottom line is that the hand has to have some
degree of side rotation in order for the ball to "hook". This won't happen if you
allow your hand to stay completely behind the ball all the way through the release.
The second point in his reply is also very true. That is, bowlers are not all built the same way. As much as I would like to have a release similar to say, an EJ Tackett,
my body simply will not allow it. Years ago, I too, tried to develop a power release ( I am a stroker). I worked on it for the better part of 2 years--- diligently. In the end, it
simply did not work. Sure, my release got a LITTLE stronger, but it never, ever came close to being transformed into a bonafide power release. So, I abandoned it and went back to my original game---the game that I now realized was built by nature
and one that fit my particular physiological makeup. I am convinced that this was
the right solution for me.
We all have different abilities and aptitudes and it's important to factor them into anything we are trying to achieve. It's ok to push that envelope, but it's even more important to discover what your own abilities will allow you to achieve. Push it, but don't waste lifetime taking a road that was not meant for you.
A great series of posts, JustRico.
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When watching release videos, relate the finger position to the ball's path on release not to straight down the lane. -- JohnP
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Thanks for all the tips. Bowled Friday night and shot 643. Doesn't sound like a lot compared to what a lot of people post here but for me this year it's terrific. All 3 games 200+. Missed 2 easy spares. Really worked on keeping my forearm aimed at my target, swing close to body, and elbow in. Also worked on a better follow through. Threw some really powerful strikes.
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Excellent Video! One of the best I've seen. It clearly shows the proper way to release the ball to get that forward roll that is so important to high scores.
Thank you.
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This has been my worst bowling season in many ,many, years. I am having a problem getting my ball to move. I throw equipment made to move, I don't throw fast (14-15 on Quibica),and I keep my equipment maintained. Old school says to come out with your hand in the handshake position. New school is to "stay behind the ball". I think my major problem is my release and not getting the # and angle of rotation. So maybe you could tell me exactly what you think staying behind the ball means to you. Is there a turn at the end ? Post or direct to good videos if you can. Thanks.
If you truly stay behind the ball, you release with 0 degrees of axis rotation, that means no matter how much you increase the rev rate, there is no forces generated to make the ball change direction to the left.
The goal is to get from the end of the oil pattern (up against the wall) to the pocket, while generating enough momentum to achieve the proper amount of deflection.
You need to balance the axis rotation, with the rev rate.
Increasing the rev rate gives you more potential momentum, but if you combine that with too much or too little axis rotation, you won't get to the pocket.
Increase rev rate to hit the pins harder, fine tune axis rotation to hit the pins in the proper location.
High rev rates, with modern "hook-in-a-box" surfaces don't require very much axis rotation.
You could think of it as:
Momentum(right->left) = Rev Rate * Ball cover stock * sin(axis rotation)
For example, if you use a plastic ball cover stock, you get a lot less momentum.