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strikestriketapped

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Question about playing deeper
« on: July 09, 2009, 01:03:00 PM »
Looking for some opinions from lower rev guys. When the outsides are burnt, what type of ball do you like to use on the inside? Reason I ask for lower rev guys to answer is because I have probably 265 RPM, and inside for me will be farther right than a higher rev bowler. Do you guys like to use strong pearls like Burns, Hy-Roads, Second Dimensions? Or do you prefer solids like a Resurgence, Sauce, etc? How about surface prep?


Just curious, I'm just getting used to playing more inside and need to know which ball at what surface to start out with, especially when I bowl pot games every Thursday night.


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Re: Question about playing deeper
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2009, 09:16:45 PM »
Keep in mind that I haven't thrown any of the newer releases that you mentioned in your post.  Something there might be an option with the right surface prep.  A strong ball drilled somewhat weak with just a little surface is what works for me.

I have a bit more hand than you, but am far from a cranker.  I think you'll have to do a bit of experimentation to see what exactly works for you.  For me, it's been my Black Widow Bite (see picture, now has double thumb weight hole) at 2000 abralon.  For me, it's nice and clean through the heads, reads the mid lane just the right amount, and makes a nice move on the back end.  I have several balls that are stronger, mostly earlier, that hook too early and don't save enough for the back.  I have others that are cleaner through the heads and mid lane, but don't recover enough.  It's a delicate balance that's likely to be different for every bowler and lane condition.

Take a variety of balls out to your intended lane condition and take some notes.  If it's too early, sand it finer or add a little polish and see if will still grab down lane.  If it's too weak, remove the polish or sand a little finer to see if it will be clean enough through the front part of the lane.

On Edit, for some reason, I was assuming (why I don't know) that the OP was talking about med/heavy lane conditions.  For a medium oil house shot, I have tons of options.  Of course, swinging the ball is more of my "A" game, even being medium handed at best.  My aging Nighthawk M2 does the trick inside most nights.

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Re: Question about playing deeper
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2009, 09:24:15 PM »
i seldom use specific balls for playing cetain areas of the lane. a change in ball speed, angle of attack, or axis rotation is almost always enough. when i have to move in i change my axis of rotation( up to about 60 degrees is about my limit ).

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Re: Question about playing deeper
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2009, 09:44:56 PM »
I look for something with a Pearl Coverstock.  The old Fired UP was great for this kind of thing.  The only other advice I have is to drill with a pin up.  It always you to throw the ball harder.  If you use a pin under the finger drilling you have to get softer in order to get the corner pins out. But then again that is just me...
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Re: Question about playing deeper
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2009, 10:37:28 PM »
Polished hybrid, 1000 to 2000 abralon. Something that I can stay firm with. Have to use something to kick out the 10 pin.  HyRoad, works well. Gravity Shift also.
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Re: Question about playing deeper
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2009, 11:17:25 PM »
yea im a fan of strong pearls, for low-revvers you have to have something to come off the dry hard
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Re: Question about playing deeper
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2009, 11:31:48 PM »
I just started playing deeper, 25 to 30 throwing to 10 or 15. I also throw with about 250 revs. I have had the best results with an Inercia , or Scorchin Inferno. The Inercia gives me the deepest look, the Scorchin is smoother with about 4 boards less hook. Both balls have the pin 1.0 inch below and centered between fingers. The Scorchin is drilled Rico.
Since I started throwing deeper my carry has improved, average is up 10 pins.
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Re: Question about playing deeper
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2009, 02:57:46 AM »
I also have 25-300 RPM and play rather slow, and for me getting "deeper" can have 2 reasons:
- either the lane just dries up in the head arae and I need fresh head oil to get the ball down the lane.
- the pattern (mostly THS and derivates with crowned patterns around here) just allows much room and recovery.

In the first case, I just follow the flow of lane transition and gradually move deeper. Most of the time I stick with the current ball at hand, I might change hand positions, though, to adjust length and sometimes overall hook.

In the second case, esp. when the lane is fresh, I like to use solid pieces, e. g. my Frankie May Gryphon (pin under ring, about 4.25x4.25, surface 1.500 grit wet sanded) or old Fuze Eliminator (4x3, surface 4.000 Abralon) that allow lots of recovery and react well to release changes. Both have high differentials, and a sheen surface is a good compromise for me and my style for sufficient length in the heads (I use both on medium to oily shots).
Lines with feet aroung 30th board and targets at 3rd arrow and deeper are possible without much effort, even though the lane must yield such a line and long ways, and basically I prefer a straighter path between 2nd and 3rd arrwo because the reaction at the break point will be easier to control and read.
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Re: Question about playing deeper
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2009, 03:09:05 AM »
i prefer pearls with high differentials. balls with higher rg ratings might help also. low rev players are travelling into an area of the lane where the heads are burned.  try 2000 abralon with polish. if that rolls out try 4000 with polish. another common issue low rev players will often encounter when moving left is trying to make the ball do more. moving left can be uncomfortable for players that are used to playing straight. the reaction to that can sometimes be the feeling that you need to give the ball a little more. on house shots its generally a good idea to also tighten up your breakpoint as you continue to move left. good luck!
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Re: Question about playing deeper
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2009, 03:57:53 AM »
I prefer something with arching type motion, useing a lot of side roll. Maybe like a solid with a control drill. Pearls tend to over/under for me on most conditions. Then again that's the shot I end up haveing to play that most of the time during league. Not a high rev guy either.
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Re: Question about playing deeper
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2009, 10:22:18 AM »
When I am bump inside the ball I use depends on the volume in the middle of the lane. if it is heavier, I will use one of the Two Pure Tactics which is a Hybrid it gets down the lane and flips pretty hard on the back essentially the hooking power of a Rougue Cell with the snap of a Cell Pearl. If it is meduim in the middle I go with Ultra Radical Pro same look as the Pure but it doesn't hook nearly the same amount and his a great step down.

A word of warning would be to stay away from the Resurgence stick with pearl gear it will offer more recovery if you sling one out to far and will hold easier if you tug at it. Big Solid reactives that Rev at your feet are almost useless, unless their is an abnormally large volume of oil. So in some ways less is often more.

2nd D, would be a great choice, if you are looking for ball that really bends on the back in heavy juice Pure Tactics.
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Re: Question about playing deeper
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2009, 10:35:41 AM »
I've got a 4000 abralon Perfect Rival drilled pin 1" above ring finger that gets the job done.
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Re: Question about playing deeper
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2009, 11:21:21 AM »
When I have to play deep I like on of two things: balls that store enery and recover or a pearl that is drilled to flare only a small amount. If I know I have oil and can get the ball down the lane I will use the first type (ex Cell Pearl or my 6" pin SD-73) I know both these balls will make the turn on the back. I the heads are drier and I need to play in and a little tighter I will us my Silver Streak Pearl with a 1" pin. It gets through the fronts, reads a little in the middle and goes straight through the back instead a big move sideways allowing me to control the break point.
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Re: Question about playing deeper
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2009, 03:27:45 PM »
well for me i just do it. simple but it's just me i don't know how to explain it. If I were to be playing outside i would be playing with quite a bit of speed and up the back of it to keep it on line. but to move inside i would add a step onto my medium speed approach but be in the same spot and change my rotation to be alot of side roll. my key to playing inside and out i find is where i throw it to. on the lanes i bowl on they are old wood so there is going to be a 'predominant track area' where there is alot of friction so i tray to throw it to that track area at the breakpoint so the ball will not just slide when it reaches friction