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Gizmo823

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Debate: Allow unlimited re-entries to USBC Open
« on: May 16, 2014, 12:05:26 PM »
First of all, I realize a lot of the allure of the tournament is that you only have one shot at it.  It makes everything that happens just that much more impressive instead of saying, "Well, 7th time's the charm."  But with several empty lanes per squad, with bowling dropping off, with the tournament itself getting fewer and fewer entries, I'd like to see them offer re-entries, or maybe at least debate the idea. 

Most of the time bowling is a low-income deal.  Guys go out there and may hit it big on brackets, but it's just a one time deal.  Imagine being able to spend a week out there and make your year's worth of income.  Prize money for the tournament would go through the roof, imagine first place in singles being worth what they pay out for a PBA tournament or more?  That also equals a LOT of extra revenue for the host city's businesses. 

What would be the cons?  Yeah it would suck to go out there and be up against bracket sharks every squad, but you about can't avoid that now anyway.  Yeah I'm sure winning scores would go up and records would be reset pretty often.  But how cool would it be to maybe go in March, bowl a week, watch scores, and then go give it another shot in June?  I'd say whenever you bowl, only the last time you bowl counts for placement. 

The idea just hit me, so I haven't really thought it through much.  Go ahead and dig in. 
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Mighty Fish

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Re: Debate: Allow unlimited re-entries to USBC Open
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2014, 04:45:14 PM »
There are multiple ways to look at cashing....you can allow people to cash multiple times in team and doubles if you force them to change a minimum number of team members, and bowl with a different partner the 2nd time around or make them stay the same and only cash once.
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True ... but, for instance, that would allow Jeff Richgels and his cross-filed team to "rotate" their 10 players into multiple "eligibility" within their own group ... and wouldn't that be of concern to a number of other tournament entrants?

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Re: Debate: Allow unlimited re-entries to USBC Open
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2014, 05:27:15 PM »
I agree with being able to compete in each event twice.  I think you would have to set a maximum number of times as this would prevent the local bowlers from entering every weekend if they so choose.  If you made 2 the maximum then I think it you might get some people to increase their stay by a day or two so they can bowl twice and it wouldn’t require another trip later in the tournament if you were bowling say 5 times.  This might also help out some of the other tournaments such as the BTM, BJ and 40 frame game. 
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Re: Debate: Allow unlimited re-entries to USBC Open
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2014, 01:32:10 PM »
You already have the BJ for guys who want the extra action, and it allows almost unlimited re entries.  Add a 3 man event to it if you want, but don't cheapen the national tournament, while creating an unfair advantage for some, and a logistical nightmare for others

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Re: Debate: Allow unlimited re-entries to USBC Open
« Reply #19 on: May 17, 2014, 02:15:55 PM »
I would like to have another shot at it while there.  It would make it more worth it to me.  It usually costs me about a grand to go when all is said and done.  Don't have any way to practice on the patterns ahead of time. 

I've never entered brackets, so not really sure how that would enter into it. 
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Bill Thomas

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Re: Debate: Allow unlimited re-entries to USBC Open
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2014, 05:29:12 PM »
When our local city tournament went to allowing reentries, I remember one of our better bowlers commenting that rather than a championship competition we were going to a "bowl till you win" format.  I happen to agree with that sentiment.

Mighty Fish

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Re: Debate: Allow unlimited re-entries to USBC Open
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2014, 07:20:00 PM »
If multiple entries were allowed, how long would it take for a number of bowlers to soar past Joe Norris' all-time ABC/USBC tournament pinfall of 123,770?

Also, there are 15 current members of the tournament's "100,000 pins club" ... but how rapidly would that number increase if entrants had the opportunity to keep re-entering?

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Re: Debate: Allow unlimited re-entries to USBC Open
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2014, 08:11:08 PM »
I don't like the idea but I'm a traditionalist.

If it was allowed. I would make the bowler bowl team, doubles and singles. That would be their all events score and would count towards lifetime pins and average.

Any re-entry would have to come after these were bowled. No more than 2 team members could be on the same team more than once.

No re-entry in doubles and singles. It would be a nightmare in doubles where a guy might cash 4 or 5 times (or more). You couldn't limit a person to 1 cash doubles if they had multiple different partners.

Re-entry would favor the big pocket bowlers even more. If they showed up with 6 teams they would have all sorts of options for team re-entry and double/singles.

Like Avabob said there is enough side action tournaments that allow multiple entry let the main tournament alone.