win a ball from Bowling.com

Author Topic: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops  (Read 9098 times)

BW

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 157
Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« on: January 18, 2011, 02:43:58 AM »
I just got an email from Storm stating that, effective 2/1/2011 they are setting new floor pricing for their higher end balls and roller bags. Enforcement will be placed on distributors who will lose any and all discounts if they sell to retailers who then sell below the floor price.

 

Some pricing examples:

 

Anarchy $154

Marvel   $139

Victory Road $118

Theory $133

 

4 ball Rolling Thunder $191

3 ball Rolling Thunder $123

4 ball Streamline $167

3 ball Streamline $96

 

Bravo to Storm. Let the flames begin.

 



 

robuster

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 192
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2011, 04:47:24 PM »
Joe ,your point is valid. I will not disagree with it.The price of equipment has increased under this policy for the average bowler. How much that increase is, is what the debate continues to be about. For me I am concerned that the Bowling Companies will not stop here.Will they limit production of a ball and charge 250.00 for the right to purchase it.Like hammer did with the Chalk. I see a lot of ways for us average bowlers to come out on the loosing end of this. The price of balls are on the increase as well they should be .I paid 180 or so for a pearl Rhino in the early 90's I can still buy a front line ball for that price.  I am not worried over the 10 to 20 bucks increase in price. .When  companies start colluding as it seems  is the case, they loose sight of the customer for the bottom line.

Live free or die trying.

jls

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 18398
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2011, 05:36:31 PM »
Sir,  So far as far as I can see, the only price increases have come from the online dealers... Not pro shops...Our prices have stayed the same...However YOUR online buddies have raised their prices to YOU and Joe...

 

So why don't you go and bash those online dealers who now have JACKED up their prices to you and Joe...Cause pro shops have not raise their prices...

 

The truth sucks....

 

May I ask you this sir... Do you work, do you expect to get paid for working...do you make more than some little girl in China... If so, you might want to consider a PAY CUT,  or you might lose your job...

 

You see sir,  people don't care about how much you make, they only care about how much it cost them... And since you probably make more than some little girl in China... You like so many american's might and have lost their jobs...

 

The Point you ask... When online dealers were getting inside below the belt prices, they were hurting pro shops... But Keyboard pounders don't care about that...

 

And guess what, when you keyboard pounders lose your jobs to some little girl in China so that we all can shop at Wal Mart... So sad too bad...

 

You seeing how this works.................
 



robuster wrote on 1/18/2011 5:47 PM:Joe ,your point is valid. I will not disagree with it.The price of equipment has increased under this policy for the average bowler. How much that increase is, is what the debate continues to be about. For me I am concerned that the Bowling Companies will not stop here.Will they limit production of a ball and charge 250.00 for the right to purchase it.Like hammer did with the Chalk. I see a lot of ways for us average bowlers to come out on the loosing end of this. The price of balls are on the increase as well they should be .I paid 180 or so for a pearl Rhino in the early 90's I can still buy a front line ball for that price.  I am not worried over the 10 to 20 bucks increase in price. .When  companies start colluding as it seems  is the case, they loose sight of the customer for the bottom line.

Live free or die trying.


jls

JOE FALCO

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6298
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2011, 06:29:03 PM »
We can look at this in different lights .. truth of the matter is .. The on-line dealers were offering discounts to bowlers .. since Ebonite says YOU CAN'T OFFER THESE DISCOUNTS  .. we the BOWLER is losing out. I believe this is also hurting the on-line dealers since they no-longer can offer the BOWLER a better price. Now the BOWLER NOT HAVING AN OPTION has to pay a HIGHER PRICE then they were though the on-line dealer before Ebonite made this change. It's being called PROTECTING THEIR PRODUCT .. but who are they protecting against .. BUYERS???? Now STORM is jumping on the bandwagon .. why? It's been said .. IT'S ONLY $10 .. now the $10 (as it's being referred too) is only an increase to the BOWLER! I guess it's better in the B/M shops pocket then it is in the bowlers pocket! (to explain: the bowler now has to dish out extra money to either the B/M shops or dish out more money to the on-line shop .. naturally the B/M shop is not making more on the ball due to the Ebonite change .. just the bowler is paying more .. convoluted .. but that's the way it goes! NET/NET the bowler is paying more .. now it seems STORM will follow suite ..why not all the ball companies .. the only one losing out is the BOWLER)
 

Maybe the companies have the right idea .. get these prices higher before the USBC kills the game entirely!
RIP Thongprincess/Sawbones!

gparks

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 69
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2011, 06:59:25 PM »
i don't know what the industry is doing but i'd never go to on-line shops.my local pro shop more than keeps me coming back,i don't buy so much as a towel from a web site. with the personal one on one experience and advice, tips...etc that i get from my shop i spend my money there to keep them around.



robuster

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 192
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2011, 07:08:21 PM »
JLS,I am not beating up on pro shops. They were at a disadvantage.I do not for a minute think that these policies were put in place to protect b/m shops.These companies care about the bottom line.If the revenue increases with the policy that is now in place look for it to be extended,if sells fall, inventory backs up, look for slash and burn pricing.I am concerned about companies colluding.Whats to say, down the road these companies come up with a policy that makes you(pro shops) meet a sells limit,if you fall short then you are no longer able to sell their product.Maybe its a policy that states that to sell their product you have to  come up with 250.00 every quarter of the year.Far fetched? Sure it is. But stranger things have happened.When companies start colluding they loose sight of the costumer for the bottom line.I understand that YOUR price has not increased or YOUR costumers, but for those who bought balls form the dirty three, they did.  A couple of years ago you and Russel educated me on the importance of supporting the local pro shop and I have.For me it's not about the price of equipment thats a concern, it's about were it ends.Right now these companies are freezing out the e -net sellers,making them toe the company line,if it works whose next? I think things could get much worse for the sport if these companies are successful with this. For me this is a toe in  the water to see the reaction from the bowling public.

Live free or die trying.

SKIDSNAP

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 638
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2011, 07:13:16 PM »
Joe your position on this issue has been well stated. 

 

You will except nothing less than a cheap bowling ball and you have no regard for the person who has invested their time and energy in learning how to develop the product, operate the business where you purchase the product.

 

It is all about you and who gives a flying flip about everyone else.

 

The bowler in general does not lose out in this situation.   People who provide better service will end up with more business.  Leeches like you are just going to have to ...

 

SUCK IT UP!!!!
 



JOE FALCO wrote on 1/18/2011 7:29 PM:
We can look at this in different lights .. truth of the matter is .. The on-line dealers were offering discounts to bowlers .. since Ebonite says YOU CAN'T OFFER THESE DISCOUNTS  .. we the BOWLER is losing out. I believe this is also hurting the on-line dealers since they no-longer can offer the BOWLER a better price. Now the BOWLER NOT HAVING AN OPTION has to pay a HIGHER PRICE then they were though the on-line dealer before Ebonite made this change. It's being called PROTECTING THEIR PRODUCT .. but who are they protecting against .. BUYERS???? Now STORM is jumping on the bandwagon .. why? It's been said .. IT'S ONLY $10 .. now the $10 (as it's being referred too) is only an increase to the BOWLER! I guess it's better in the B/M shops pocket then it is in the bowlers pocket! (to explain: the bowler now has to dish out extra money to either the B/M shops or dish out more money to the on-line shop .. naturally the B/M shop is not making more on the ball due to the Ebonite change .. just the bowler is paying more .. convoluted .. but that's the way it goes! NET/NET the bowler is paying more .. now it seems STORM will follow suite ..why not all the ball companies .. the only one losing out is the BOWLER)

 


Maybe the companies have the right idea .. get these prices higher before the USBC kills the game entirely!



SKIDSNAP

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 638
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2011, 07:23:44 PM »
Robuster,

 

You are making things up.  You keep on playing the "and then", "what's to say" and the "what if" game. They are not freezing out the "e-net" . That is your supposition...

 

Your charge of collusion has absolutly no merit considering that the policies that have been imposed so far are not even close in structure or implementation.
 

Stop looking for conspiracies.  Take off your tin hat and chill out.



robuster wrote on 1/18/2011 8:08 PM:JLS,I am not beating up on pro shops. They were at a disadvantage.I do not for a minute think that these policies were put in place to protect b/m shops.These companies care about the bottom line.If the revenue increases with the policy that is now in place look for it to be extended,if sells fall, inventory backs up, look for slash and burn pricing.I am concerned about companies colluding.Whats to say, down the road these companies come up with a policy that makes you(pro shops) meet a sells limit,if you fall short then you are no longer able to sell their product.Maybe its a policy that states that to sell their product you have to  come up with 250.00 every quarter of the year.Far fetched? Sure it is. But stranger things have happened.When companies start colluding they loose sight of the costumer for the bottom line.I understand that YOUR price has not increased or YOUR costumers, but for those who bought balls form the dirty three, they did.  A couple of years ago you and Russel educated me on the importance of supporting the local pro shop and I have.For me it's not about the price of equipment thats a concern, it's about were it ends.Right now these companies are freezing out the e -net sellers,making them toe the company line,if it works whose next? I think things could get much worse for the sport if these companies are successful with this. For me this is a toe in  the water to see the reaction from the bowling public.

Live free or die trying.



BW

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 157
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2011, 07:33:42 PM »
Joe,

 

The problem is that you should have never been allowed to buy balls as cheap as you could for the last 10 years. You're not being cheated. You enjoyed your 10 years of an underpriced market. That time is now over. Ball companies should have done this years ago, but they underestimated the future impact of the internet.

 

Your airline analogy is pretty poor considering that airlines provide a service while bowling balls are a product. As you stated, airfare fluctuates day to day. At  least the bowling ball will be the same price today and tomorrow. And people in this country are waaaay more frustrated by airline policies than they ever will be by bowling companies.

 

FYI, never buy airline tickets on Monday. Fares are almost always lowest on Tuesday when prices are updated. Then they typically rise through the week. 

 



JOE FALCO

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6298
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2011, 07:36:23 PM »
The bowler in general does not lose out in this situation.   People who provide better service will end up with more business.  Leeches like you are just going to have to ...


 


SUCK IT UP!!!!
 

The bowler does not lose out .. you have to be kidding!

RIP Thongprincess/Sawbones!

JOE FALCO

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6298
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2011, 07:40:15 PM »
The problem is that you should have never been allowed to buy balls as cheap as you could for the last 10 years. You're not being cheated. You enjoyed your 10 years of an underpriced market. That time is now over. Ball companies should have done this years ago, but they underestimated the future impact of the internet.
 

Thank you .. it appears that you agree that an option was taking away from the bowler!

RIP Thongprincess/Sawbones!

Whos Left

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 105
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2011, 07:44:33 PM »
Free market enterprise.  There is no evidence of collusion for price controls.  The company is free to charge

what they can get for their product and the consumer is free to buy --or not.



SKIDSNAP

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 638
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2011, 07:54:17 PM »

 They don't lose.  They get better service for the amout they spend.  You only care about price.  So of course you will be disappointed!!!  I do not feel bad for you.

 

If/when you open your own shop. A customer like you will be the first you throw out.  And you will feel the disrespect you feel toward those of us who work in a shop.



JOE FALCO wrote on 1/18/2011 8:36 PM:
The bowler in general does not lose out in this situation.   People who provide better service will end up with more business.  Leeches like you are just going to have to ...



 



SUCK IT UP!!!!

 


The bowler does not lose out .. you have to be kidding!




Stan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 667
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2011, 08:16:29 PM »
I guess its all how you look at it.  jls, you said that your prices will remain the same.  Thats great.  Now if only all the other pro shops do the same, then there is really no difference.  What I do not understand is, if a customer brought in a internet ball to be drilled in your shop, would you not make the same profit as if the customer purchased the ball directly from you .  I mean, you will charge for you drilling service, isn't that the profit you make ? Now, if you jack up the price of the ball and then add your drilling service, then you would lose money off the internet ball.  I rather lose a few dollars on a ball, then spend thousands of dollars in inventory knowing that when the next batch of new balls come in, I will be having a fire sale trying to sell the old stock.

 

Guess it depends on how busy your shop is, meaning, you can turn over your inventory very quickly.  I know many shops in my area that have little or no inventory.  Actually, some of them prefer to drill internet balls.  They have no money invested in stock and if the ball has a defect, the customer has to deal with the online shop.  Kind of a win win for everyone.  I really think it all depends on the area you are living in.  Some shops can charge a lot more money for the equipment than other shops.  jsl and you other guys, how would you feel if your shop was down the road from Buddies Pro Shop.  Remember, he also has a b/m pro shop in a bowling center. 

 

I really do not know where this is all going to end up.  But I do agree with some of the other posters.  The ball manufacturers are in business to sell product.  If their marketing model, THIS YEAR, says they should try to sell more product thru a b/m shop, then they will do whatever is necessary to entice b/m shops to sell their product.  If their marketing model, NEXT YEAR, changes because last years model did not generate enough profit, then its a whole new game.  Guess we will have to wait and see.

 



kevin18p

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 7
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2011, 08:42:03 PM »
these guys who think buying off the net is so great cause it a couple bucks cheaper are the same guys who when they get the product and it's not to they're liking or wrong bring it to the local shop and then get pissed when the local guy tells them to pound sand. i deal with it every day in the motorcycle industry.



airrip

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 35
Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2011, 10:23:19 PM »
 Ok ok. Everyone quit talking.   The great JLS has spoken and now this case is closed. And he only referenced keyboard pounder 6 dozen times.   I love how he said pro shops didn't raise their prices. Apparently he went to every pro shop in America and did a survey, because he now speaks for all of them.   You see, the pro shop in my area is raising their price, because they like to be a little higher then on line shops because of the added service they provide. which I think they deserve.  So let's see if I can explain it for the great one, the price online was $139 and the pro shop was $159. Now it's online $159 in the pro shop is $174. I think that's more, but like JLS said I am still in the 3rd grade so I should ask mamma.

Proud keyboard pounder.