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Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« on: January 18, 2011, 02:43:58 AM »
I just got an email from Storm stating that, effective 2/1/2011 they are setting new floor pricing for their higher end balls and roller bags. Enforcement will be placed on distributors who will lose any and all discounts if they sell to retailers who then sell below the floor price.

 

Some pricing examples:

 

Anarchy $154

Marvel   $139

Victory Road $118

Theory $133

 

4 ball Rolling Thunder $191

3 ball Rolling Thunder $123

4 ball Streamline $167

3 ball Streamline $96

 

Bravo to Storm. Let the flames begin.

 



 

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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2011, 11:41:50 AM »
33% of bowlers buying ball had an option taking away from them when Ebonite made this change.
 

I stand corrected .. 33% of balls sold .. I did say that earlier in the statement .. but you are correct and I was in error! Thanks!


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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2011, 11:46:24 AM »
 JLS is calling me names, how will I go on with my day.  It's hilarious really. He calls people names, avoids the topic, is this huge pro shop owner, yet never once will give the name of the shop, and never answers a question.  Calls everyone on here a keyboard pounder, yet has probably 12,458 posts. I forgot it only takes you 7 seconds to post a topic

So I washed my hands, as per your request, and I will tyr not to have any accidents for you.  I know I am not worthy of responding to you, but I am going to try, so please forgive me....

I must have touched a nerve, because you sure  typed in big bold letters this time.

Also JLS thanks for the promotion....I was just a keyboad pounder, now I am a two bit keyboard pounding stalker. Is that bad?  I'm not sure, but I feel good to be rewarded like that.

I'm slow so excuse me for asking again, but is being a keyboard ponder a bad thing?  Could I be a screen pounder since I'm typing on an iPad?  

With all your idiotic rambling and name calling though, I hope you did maybe open your eyes to see that some pro shops have indeed raised their prices. Maybe not the one you visit, (oh wait you own your own pro shop), but don't make such a general statement when you really have no clue what you are talking about.

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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2011, 11:53:50 AM »
Just because Air-dry claims it doesn't make it so, just because you claim it doesn't make it so? Same point different side of the fence....once again if its not the same as you its wrong!

 

If a pro-shop in your area missed a span by greater than 1/4" then i'm sure you wouldn't want them touching your stuff. If they missed your pitches by 1/4" (1/8 rev vs 1/8 forward) you wouldn't let them touch your stuff. If they put the same pitches in EVERYONES thumb 1/8 left 1/4 reverse....need I go on?

 

And I said I wouldn't let them drill my stuff....I don't buy online, soooooooo once again your generalized statements are wrong.


 



jls wrote on 1/19/2011 12:38 PM:
Well why don't we ask the many pro shops that do post here if they have raised their prices since the Nov. 1 Ebonite policy went into affect...  I have not seen any indication of prices being raised... Just because air dry claims it, doesn't make it so...

 

Now give me a break with this stuff about "I wouldn't let that pro shop drill my stuff"

 

We hear this all the time on this site... and from whom????????????

 

From keyboard pounders who buy online...

 

Now U know the main reason they have hole pounders drill their balls...

 

CHEAP PRICES    Usually $25 with inserts, slugs, lunch and a car wash...

 

Now give me a break...Most real pro shops KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING...

 

Sure there are the CONVERTED BROOM CLOSET PRO SHOPS that may not...U- know the ones...

 

Usually open from 5-8, and they BOWL during that time...

 

 

Now as for the other SMALLER companies you brought up...

In time I do believe they will also wake up...

 

But I was putting your company>>> Brunswick in the same class as Storm and Ebonite...

 

The big three, the industry leaders...

 

Now two have stepped forward...

 

once again

 

Wake up Brunswick



BKloss wrote on 1/19/2011 12:27 PM:

JLS:



You make statements that may hold true for your pro shop, but not everyone’s. You cannot speak for shops that raise their prices, or lower their prices in regards to what Ebonite and Storm has done with their pricing. And just because a guy drills and doesn't do so in a pro-shop doesn't mean he has no clue what he is doing and EVERY pro-shop is better. There are 4 pro shops in my area and 1 out of the 4 I would trust to drill my equipment. Just because you have a shop in an alley doesn’t make a good pro-shop, it means you can afford the rent.

 


As far as Brunswick waking up? What about the other companies? AMF, Global, Mo-Rich, Motiv, Lane 1 etc….?

 



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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2011, 12:00:00 PM »
 JL dry(I figured you liked the dry part, you keep calling me it). Figured it was a term of endearment

 I never said all pro shops are raising their prices.  I said mine is and I dont have a problem with it.  I was just pointing out how wrong you were when you stated "the consumer who bought at the pro shop level for the last 12 years, he is not seeing ANY increase at the pro shop level. "

It's called reading comprehension. You can do it. I believe in you.

And once again I am happy to pay my pro shop more then an online seller for the service he provides, before, during, and after the purchase.



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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2011, 12:01:54 PM »
Cobb wrote on 1/19/2011 11:42 AM:Now is it just me or am I the only one here that thinks it's hilarious that jls is calling people children when he himself is the one acting like one?

 
Its hilarious! But I got tired of his childish behavior and sifting through his nonsense in every posts.  So on the iggy list he went so I don't have to deal with the nonsense.  Out of all the forums I visit on a daily basis, he's the only one on the list.  Go figure


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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2011, 12:16:07 PM »
Someone mentioned 900Global/AMF above. From day one 900Global has had a price floor for internet sales.The only balls allowed to be sold below that are blems and discontinued, They have tried to "protect" the pro shop from day one. 0000+Now just to get Brunswick on board

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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2011, 12:18:07 PM »
Air dry... What I feel you did was go on and on about how pro shops can now raise their prices since online prices have gone up... And if this happened in your area then I would say that IT WAS WRONG...
 
The whole point of these new pricing programs was to level the playing field...I think it is pretty stupid for any pro shop to us this program to raise their prices...
 
You see air dry,  here in the big city with the tall buildings and Star Bucks on every corner, people are not stupid...They know their prices... if they see online prices went up, it makes the price at their pro shops look good...So how stupid is it for pro shops to raise their prices...Especially since Ebonite has not raise prices to Pro shops...
 
But you are right,  just because pro shops in my area did not raise prices, doesn't mean that pro shops in other areas didn't...  Also, glad to see that you do indeed get your balls drilled by a pro shop...
 
Over and over again on this site we read post from  keyboard pounding online shoppers who make statements saying they can't find a pro shop that knows what he is doing... Now this dude on the B-Staff make a statement about the span being 1/4" off...  who was drilling that ball, someone who is blind in one eye and can't see out the other...Give me  break here,  Cause I feel real PRO SHOPS know what they are doing...
 
But if one was to listen and believe the crap posted on this site about drilling... One would conclude that there are NO PRO SHOPS that know how to drill...
 
and that is not so....
 
have a nice day Air Dry...
 
btw, glad you like your new name...
 
 
 
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airrip wrote on 1/19/2011 1:00 PM: JL dry(I figured you liked the dry part, you keep calling me it). Figured it was a term of endearment

 I never said all pro shops are raising their prices.  I said mine is and I dont have a problem with it.  I was just pointing out how wrong you were when you stated "the consumer who bought at the pro shop level for the last 12 years, he is not seeing ANY increase at the pro shop level. "

It's called reading comprehension. You can do it. I believe in you.

And once again I am happy to pay my pro shop more then an online seller for the service he provides, before, during, and after the purchase.



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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2011, 12:38:05 PM »
Yes Gunny... Oh and BTW folks... Gunny here is a hole pounder from Florida who will drill you a ball for $25...
Does that still come with lunch Gunny?
 
And he doesn't claim  it on his income taxes... 
 
This crap with Gunny goes back about 3--4 years...
 
And Gunny, it's a pleasure to know I made your childish list...
 
Now be careful Gunny,  cause one day the Tax man might find you...
 
Until then, keep on pounding...
 
You see, this is what I believe Ebonite and Storm were talking about...
Gunny wrote on 1/19/2011 1:01 PM:
Cobb wrote on 1/19/2011 11:42 AM:Now is it just me or am I the only one here that thinks it's hilarious that jls is calling people children when he himself is the one acting like one?

 
Its hilarious! But I got tired of his childish behavior and sifting through his nonsense in every posts.  So on the iggy list he went so I don't have to deal with the nonsense.  Out of all the forums I visit on a daily basis, he's the only one on the list.  Go figure


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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #54 on: January 19, 2011, 12:41:53 PM »
 JLS why do I need to give a phone number (sounds kind of stalkerish on your part). Seeing how you are in the big city with the buildings and the Star Bucks, that's a planetarium I'm assuming, and seeing how you have such a successful business.  I'm sure you have a great web site, and Internet marketing plan.  I'm not as sharp as you, but I have heard that's important, especially in the cities with the buildings and all.  So why not just give us the name of your shop and your shops website, so we can all share in how great it is.  

There no way in today's market someone as sharp as you would not have a website, so all your customers can see what's in stock and read testimonials anout the incredible service the recieved.  And you can't  forget the polish.  Remeber you sell more in a day then most people do in a month.

So oh great one, it's time to put up or shut up.  Unfortunately for the sane folks here,you will do neither.  Instead we will get let's see "I don't need keyboard pounders business" or "I don't want no porch monkey taco eating wannabe bowlers coming into my shop"

So I will wait for you to deliver the name of your shop and it's web address with baited breath.

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P.s. Hey everyone.  JLS is such an idiot he doesn't even realize he could just make up a pro shop name or act like one that exists is his and give that information out.  It's a secret so don't tell him that's all he would have to do.

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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #55 on: January 19, 2011, 12:43:39 PM »
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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #56 on: January 19, 2011, 12:44:37 PM »
 IMHO (one that JLS probably won't agree with) isn't so much that the manufacturers are having to prop up the market by enforcing a floor pricing system, it is that the bowling ball and proshop industries are FAR AND AWAY over bloated.
 

 I blame the very people JLS is lauding, THE MANUFACTURERS!

 

 They have used marketing ( and perhaps planned obsolescence) to drive the demand for bowling equipment to artificially inflated levels, then fired up the plants to produce way more equipment than needed to meet those artificial demands.

 

 This has produced a market where there are FAR more proshops than are actually needed. This would NOT be so, were it not for the market being artificial.

 

 The proshop industry has been duped into believing that it is a viable business that can be self supporting and lucrative, when in fact the opposite is true, AND I THINK THE MANUFACTURERS KNOW THAT.

 

 GOOD PROSHOPS ARE NEEDED, but not in the quantity they exist now, and that is the crux of the problem. Manufacturers pumping out far too many balls, flooding the market with product that can't be sold, then creating a new model and discontinuing the current model that is flooding the market, and starting the process all over again, leaving the proshops to fend for themselves in a tight economy with an outdated inventory they can't sell at full price any longer, just to keep their OWN wheels turning.

 

 JLS, the manufacturers couldn't care LESS about you. They will tell you otherwise, but if they did really care, they would STOP flooding the market with so much junk and work WITH you to promote and move as much merchandise as possible BEFORE coming out with something new.

 

 Like I've tried to say before, to me it ISN'T about price as much as it is about lies and unfair practices all created by the manufacturers in order to protect THEMSELVES. They couldn't care LESS about you proshops because they know SOMEBODY will drill the balls, and they don't care if it is a highly trained professional like yourself or a "hole pounder" in his garage.

 

 They created this monstrosity, and have left you proshop owners out there to deal with it, then enlisted your support with artificial claims of supporting you through "floor pricing", basically getting you to sing their praises while they are busy flooding the artificial market they created and making things harder for you.
 


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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #57 on: January 19, 2011, 12:53:37 PM »
Jag,  nice post... Man it's amazing when someone knows how to stick to the topic... Unlike the 3rd graders on this site that just come on and bash and seldom address the topic...
 
Now as for flooding the market... you are right again...and hopefully this is going to be addressed...
 
Next week at the Ebonite seminar... They will be addressing this very topic...
 
And who again was it that really started to pump out new balls in the 90's...so they could meet the numbers that their cover stock maker wanted....Gee what was that companies name...   Anyone having Taco's for lunch? <<<
that's right, I said Taco's...
 
 
 
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Juggernaut wrote on 1/19/2011 1:44 PM:
 IMHO (one that JLS probably won't agree with) isn't so much that the manufacturers are having to prop up the market by enforcing a floor pricing system, it is that the bowling ball and proshop industries are FAR AND AWAY over bloated.
 

 I blame the very people JLS is lauding, THE MANUFACTURERS!

 

 They have used marketing ( and perhaps planned obsolescence) to drive the demand for bowling equipment to artificially inflated levels, then fired up the plants to produce way more equipment than needed to meet those artificial demands.

 

 This has produced a market where there are FAR more proshops than are actually needed. This would NOT be so, were it not for the market being artificial.

 

 The proshop industry has been duped into believing that it is a viable business that can be self supporting and lucrative, when in fact the opposite is true, AND I THINK THE MANUFACTURERS KNOW THAT.

 

 GOOD PROSHOPS ARE NEEDED, but not in the quantity they exist now, and that is the crux of the problem. Manufacturers pumping out far too many balls, flooding the market with product that can't be sold, then creating a new model and discontinuing the current model that is flooding the market, and starting the process all over again, leaving the proshops to fend for themselves in a tight economy with an outdated inventory they can't sell at full price any longer, just to keep their OWN wheels turning.

 

 JLS, the manufacturers couldn't care LESS about you. They will tell you otherwise, but if they did really care, they would STOP flooding the market with so much junk and work WITH you to promote and move as much merchandise as possible BEFORE coming out with something new.

 

 Like I've tried to say before, to me it ISN'T about price as much as it is about lies and unfair practices all created by the manufacturers in order to protect THEMSELVES. They couldn't care LESS about you proshops because they know SOMEBODY will drill the balls, and they don't care if it is a highly trained professional like yourself or a "hole pounder" in his garage.

 

 They created this monstrosity, and have left you proshop owners out there to deal with it, then enlisted your support with artificial claims of supporting you through "floor pricing", basically getting you to sing their praises while they are busy flooding the artificial market they created and making things harder for you.
 


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Edited by jls on 1/19/2011 at 2:11 PM

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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #58 on: January 19, 2011, 02:29:33 PM »
 More name calling and more avoiding the question from the great one himself, JLS

I guess if you can't answer it, that's all you can do.  So please do us a favor and get off the pc for a while and join the rest of us in the 3 dimensional world.  Wait, Im sure this is the only site you post on 375 times a day.

So until you can answer the very simple question, why don't you go count the hundreds of balls you have in stock, and then come back here and parrot something interesting that you can claim as your own idea.

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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #59 on: January 19, 2011, 02:51:33 PM »
Oh the Stalker returns...It's amazing, all you have done on this thread is attack me...Cause that is what you are all about...Very little of the garbage that has come out of your mouth addresses the topic of the thread...
 
If your not attacking your posting stories trying to make people believe that because of these new programs, Pro shops are raising prices...Do you do this just to get a rise out of Joe...
 
Now drip dry,  you're a has been was not never will be never was, trying to act like a man on the bowling ball site...Much like some other person, all you love to do is attack me... The other fool started bashing me and did not even realize that I had posted... Which clearly shows he did not even bother to read  any of the post of this thread... He just saw this thread pertained to the pricing policy and started right in bashing...  Then about 3-4 hours later he finally realized his mistake...
 
Now child, let me explain this to you... we have about 9.3 million people in my area...so why do you feel I need to worry about 50-100 keyboard pounding online shoppers...scattered across the country...
 
Now I do have people on this site who I deal with... They know me and that's all that matters to me... I don't need to worry about people like you who are still in the 3rd grade and post on mommy's PC...
 
What I find amazing and amusing is when online shoppers post things like, "I can't find a decent pro shop" or I would let the 2 pro shops in my area  touch my ball"   Ya right...As we all know,  there are no pro shops that know how to drill balls for the experts known as keyboard pounders...Who seek out Cheap...both in the price of balls and when it comes to getting them drilled...
 
 
So when someone like me comes on and supports pro shops... It comes with a PRICE...
I must deal with lowlifes who hate pro shops and want to buy balls as cheap as possible and have them drilled by their "guy"  Mr hole pounder... For $25 with inserts, slugs , lunch..and a car wash...
 
U-know, people Like Gunny, the basement ball driller from Florida that does not show any of his sales on his income tax...And when I called him on that...
 
He put me on his childish iggy list... LUCKY ME...
 
Now Drip Dry,  follow Gunny's lead...
 
cause you really bore me...
airrip wrote on 1/19/2011 3:29 PM: More name calling and more avoiding the question from the great one himself, JLS

I guess if you can't answer it, that's all you can do.  So please do us a favor and get off the pc for a while and join the rest of us in the 3 dimensional world.  Wait, Im sure this is the only site you post on 375 times a day.

So until you can answer the very simple question, why don't you go count the hundreds of balls you have in stock, and then come back here and parrot something interesting that you can claim as your own idea.


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Edited by jls on 1/19/2011 at 3:55 PM

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Re: Storm joins Ebonite in protecting pro shops
« Reply #60 on: January 19, 2011, 03:16:22 PM »
 JLS

I replied to original topic, and then to your idiotic generalization about how no pro shops are raising prices. You must have missed that part. You are so predictable and laughable with your responses.  Hey let me ask you this, if you have 9.3 million people in the city and don't need us 50-100 keyboards pounders, why would you offer to send me pics of your "pro shop" to my phone?  You don't need 50-100 people but you need just 1?  Seems like a contradiction to little old me.  Sorry that was a big word.  Oops, did you just get caught?  Maybe I'm just special and you want my phone number. Which is it oh wise sage.  

Also since I am a proud  keyboard pounder, because I post on here 1/100 of the time you do, what does that make you?  Wait I forgot you have some catchy response about your employees.

Once again let the name calling begin, but please try to answer one question