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Strike Pot Question
« on: October 06, 2004, 04:14:57 AM »
Our center runs a Strike Pot where you have to get strikes in certain designated frames.  Get all the strikes in those frames and you win the pot.  Well, there was a controversy (what else is new) so I am polling the knowledgeable members here to see which interpretation of the rules you agree with.

In one of the games the center had the form printed out looking like this for the 10th through 12th frames:



 
 
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|   | X |   |
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Now, the bowler who raised the argument with the center believed that the strike in that frame meant that you could either start with a spare and then strike in the 11th or you could double in the 10th to meet the requirements.  The center said no, the only way you can strike in the 11th is by having a strike in the 10th.  If you go 9 count, spare, then strike, that means the nine count is the 10th, the spare is the 11th and the strike would be the 12th which does not meet the requirement.  What the center is saying the bowler actually did would look like this:


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| 9 | / | X |
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So, the strike the bowler got in that game was actually the 12th, and not the 11th like he thought.  He did not meet the requirement and did not win.  After that argument, the center changed the forms so that the 10th and 11th had to be strikes ( I was wondering why they changed all of a sudden).

 How would you interpret that requirement?   I disagreed with the center and apparently, most of the bowlers around here who I spoke with.  I would have agreed with the bowler who complained if I had been there at the time it happened.
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Re: Strike Pot Question
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2004, 10:06:27 AM »
In our house we run similar strike pots, but they are based on your average. If you average 210 and above, you must strike in the following frames: 2,3,6,9 and 11. However, we do give the bowlers both options for the 11th strike. You can either double in the 10th frame or spare and then strike on your fill ball to meet the qualifications for the 11th frame strike. To us this clears up any misunderstanding of the 11th frame strike.

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Re: Strike Pot Question
« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2004, 10:20:30 AM »
Thanks for the replies so far.  In case it was missed, the sheet that is given out when the bowler pays to enter each week originally was marked as follows for the three games:

 
 
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 Game 1  |   | X |   |
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 Game 2  | X |   |   |
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 Game 3  | X | X |   |
          -----------
 


So by the difference between games 1 and 3, it looks to me like a strike was not required for the first ball in the Game 1 tenth frame.

And yes, the bowler was required to have 13 strikes in the indicated frames during the three games but I did not include all the other frames since it was only the tenth frames that was in question.  Now, on the new sheets, the first game has both the first two balls in the first game's tenth frame marked as being strikes, so the total strikes required for the three games is now 14.
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Re: Strike Pot Question
« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2004, 10:34:09 AM »
Very interesting, I see PinBusters point on actually having to strike more than they're stating if interpreted it in that way.  Here's a good one, what if the "X" were in the last box?  Does that make it the 12th frame and you need 3 strikes or can you spare and still get an "X" in that box?  

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Re: Strike Pot Question
« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2004, 11:33:40 AM »
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Here's a good one, what if the "X" were in the last box? Does that make it the 12th frame and you need 3 strikes or can you spare and still get an "X" in that box?


From the way they explained it to me, 9/X, that strike would be in the last box.  The first box is used to mark down the pinfall from the first ball.  The second box is used for the pinfall or result of the second ball.
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Re: Strike Pot Question
« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2004, 12:35:43 PM »
just my opinion, but it sounds like we are having a terminology issue here.  I fact there are only 10 frames in the game of bowling.  Frames 1 thru 9 consist of 1 or 2 "deliverie", 1 if a strike is thrown on the first attempt, and a second if there are pins left standing after the first delivery.  In the 10th frame, there is a maximum of 3 "deliveries". If the first is a strike, then the strike scores 10 pins plus the total number of pins for the next 2 deliveries. Same for a spare on the second delivery, a third is required to achieve the count to be added to the 10 pins for the first delivery.  The terms 11th and 12th frames are merely simplified terms for what is an already too lengthy explanation.

Was the center wrong?  Certainly they could have avoided the problem by indicating a double in the 10th.  Instead they tried to be cute and add an extra strike to make the stike pot a little more challenging.  Lesson learned?  I'm sure they will come up with a new twist sooner or later.