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rhinotec

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Banned Ball
« on: October 11, 2006, 03:37:11 PM »
Can a league create a provision to allow a ball on the USBC banned list to be used during the season? There's a couple of people on my Friday Mixed using Ebonite Quasars and one using an AMF Michael Jordan(the one that looks like a basketball) when I asked my team captain about it she said "the league has a provision to allow them" is she correct?
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Re: Banned Ball
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2006, 11:45:07 PM »
To the best of my knowledge, you can make a rule that makes things stricter than what the USBC has outlined, but you can't make it more lenient.  

The only reason the ban would have any effect would be if they shot an honor score (which is doubtful with a quasar or MJ plastic).  If no one in the league has a problem with it there's no reason to change.  

I won't get into the topic of rules are rules and if don't like them, change them, don't ignore them.
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Re: Banned Ball
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2006, 12:27:18 AM »
I am surprised that the owner or the manager would allow those balls to be used on his lane surface.They were banned, AFAIK, because they damage the lanes.
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Re: Banned Ball
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2006, 01:10:21 AM »
No they cannot do it.  It conflicts with basic sanctioning rules.  

Call Central Office and find out.  Make sure you provide them your association name and league name.

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Re: Banned Ball
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2006, 01:20:12 AM »
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The quaser how does it damage lanes?  And I doubt that the michael jordan ball would either, specially on synthetics.
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Don't know about the Quasar, but the MJ ball has a scribed pattern on the surface which is illegal. AFAIK.
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Re: Banned Ball
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2006, 01:57:33 AM »
I wouldn't call them on it because they're plastic and I could care less.  It would be in their best interest to go buy a reactive ball anyways since they are bowling in a league.

And by the way the Quasar was banned because it had lights in it and I think it had batteries that could be replaced.
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Re: Banned Ball
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2006, 06:02:41 AM »
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I wouldn't call them on it because they're plastic and I could care less.  It would be in their best interest to go buy a reactive ball anyways since they are bowling in a league.

And by the way the Quasar was banned because it had lights in it and I think it had batteries that could be replaced.
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I have to diasagree.  If you are going to sanction the league, then you MUST follow USBC rules.  Those balls are not legal for sanctioned leagues, so the  bowlers must be told that they can't be used.  You can't pick and choose which rules to follow.

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Re: Banned Ball
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2006, 06:23:53 AM »
Hey rhino,

I agree with the guys here concerning overriding old ABC or current USBC rules.  Any league can have bylaws that cover areas that USBC doesn't clarify but I've never heard of a league being able to supercede a current rule.

Granted that these are basically plastic balls but this would open a can of worms IMHO in the league.  Does this mean they would have to allow other balls which are also deemed "illegal" by the USBC (IE..side weight over an ounce)?  Where do you draw the line?  Bad rule in my opinion...

The Quasar I believe is deeemed illegal based on the old rule of having a foreign alloy/metals inside the ball. The old Bruns "gold flake" ball is also illegal because of this.  Petraglia threw one on tour but tour has their own rules.

MJ and the Bruns Web ball (yellow/blk) were deemed illegal I think based on their coeffient of friction test.

I'd call USBC to verify whether or not this is legit.  I agree, why have rules if you're not going to follow them?
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Bjaardker

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Re: Banned Ball
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2006, 04:27:17 PM »
The MJ ball was banned because the black lines on the ball were not even with the rest of the ball.
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shelley

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2006, 04:42:37 PM »
I believe the Brunswick "Web" ball was deemed illegal because the yellow webbing was more than just a print on top of the surface like Viz-a-balls are now.  They'd actually carved out grooves in the black surface and filled them with yellow plastic that was prone to coming out in chunks.  Saw one on the telecast a while ago and it made me ask.

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BrianCRX90

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Re: Banned Ball
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2006, 04:56:53 PM »
First, I have a show of Petraglia with that ball you were talking about..the gold one.

Second, there isn't any advantage to using the Quazar ball or that MJ ball.

Third, alot of centers put a ban on the first two Ebonite particle balls. That was the Tombstone and Riptide due to the hard cermamic particles in them. Don't belive they are banned for knew a guy last season that used a Riptide.

Worrying about some weak hitting plastic ball is a waste of time.
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Re: Banned Ball
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2006, 05:14:18 PM »
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Second, there isn't any advantage to using the Quazar ball or that MJ ball.
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Worrying about some weak hitting plastic ball is a waste of time.


But if the rules are not applied consistently to all balls, what's the point?  I agree, banning the Quasar for having little bits of metal and foreign objects in it to make it light up seems a bit lame.  But allowing it means you have to allow other balls that also have similar things.  There's no advantage to using a Quasar but that's not the point.  It violates the rules.

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Re: Banned Ball
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2006, 06:16:58 PM »
The MJ ball was banned for the engraved lines on the ball ( what reason they are not legal, I don't know), and the quasar was banned because it has small metal pices inside it.

  These balls are NOT legal to use in a sanctioned league.  A league can make a rule in addendum to the U.S.B.C. rules, but not a rule superceding a U.S.B.C. ruling.

  No legal, sanctioned league is allowed to use these, and if someone turns them in, the league can lose its sanction and the house might have a problem with U.S.B.C. if they told the people they could use them in a sanctioned league.

  I don't think they are any advantage at all because of the weak cover (plastic) and the weak core ( pancakes), but they aren't legal to use, nontheless.
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Re: Banned Ball
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2006, 07:53:32 PM »
I guess you could if the league wasn't sanctioned???
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Re: Banned Ball
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2006, 08:01:38 PM »
USBC rule 100.a(1) g. Govern themselves by USBC rules. Other rules may be added, but must not conflict with USBC rules.

The use of a banned ball is in violation of USBC rules.  Your league can not make a rule allowing their use because it would conflict with USBC Rule.

The Quasar is banned because the ball has batteries in it, it is illegal to have metallic substances in the ball.  Plus, they could be removed to change the dynamics of the ball during play.

The MJ ball is banned because of the grooves on the surface.

The fact that they are both plastic balls and these items don't really change the balls reaction doesn't matter.  They violate basic ball manufacturing rules.

If the league allows these people to continue using these balls, the league risks losing their USBC certification if someone makes a complaint about the league.
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