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splendorlex

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Struggles with THS
« on: May 16, 2005, 03:35:54 AM »
I've struggled for awhile on the house shot.  There are nights where it can work for me, but for the most part I have to work hard on spares and such to put up decent scores.  Sometimes I am simply unable to find a line that works for me.  I play down and in from the track area and outside for the most part.  I don't yet have the equipment or skill to play deep inside, as I can't bring my ball (a Sling Blade) back.  I can play deep inside and play a nearly straight line to the pocket, but it isn't very dependable.  The problem is my ball going brooklyn on me.  I guess that it may be because I'm a tweener and have difficulty playing outside the oil line sometimes.  A lot of people have told me I need to put more mustard on the ball to try and reduce the hook, but it's never worked for me.  Well, I think the other night I finally figured it out and want to see if I was just lucky or I have finally gotten the info/technique I needed.  I was struggling as usual on a house shot when I started to focus not on throwing the ball hard, but rather on projecting it further down the lane, I aimed for a target beyond the first or second arrow and tried to hit it, and it worked great for me.  Is this what I need to do all the time, concentrate on projecting the ball out further, rather than continually try to adjust left or throw "harder?"  Thanks for the advice, I'm really hoping I finally have something to give me consistency on THS.

 

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Re: Struggles with THS
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2005, 02:23:37 PM »
I should add that I've been embarrassed to normally shoot better on tough conditions than on THS.  I play in tournaments on the weekends and always do my best shooting there.  All of my high games and series are in tournaments.  Though maybe that isn't something to be ashamed of.  

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Re: Struggles with THS
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2005, 02:35:37 PM »
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You don't have to play deep inside.  As you progress you'll learn how to better read what the lane is going to give you.  Instead of playing only outside or deep inside, make very slight adjustments.  Once you find a spot on the lane that you can hit consistently, concentrate on moving your feet slightly until you can find the right angle to throw the ball on where you can get it to conserve it's energy (not hard with the Sling Blade) and get good entry to the pocket.

As a side note, I have also been throwing harder lately but it can be hard to control.  On a THS, if I throw The Deal (at 1000 grit w/polish)as hard as I can down maybe the 7th board, I'll strike all night whether hitting flush or throwing messengers all over the deck.  But that can be hard to consistently hit the spot with a consistent, high speed.
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Re: Struggles with THS
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2005, 02:40:22 PM »
Splendy,  what you described is the perfect adjustment for a ball breaking early and heading to mexico.  When my stuff is breaking early and looking awkward, I look past the arrows at 3' past the arrows, 6' past the arrows, 30' down the lane and finally 45' for those burnt out conditions.  

Remember that you can expand your target (say five boards wide at 45') the further you look down the lanes.


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Re: Struggles with THS
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2005, 02:48:00 PM »
Lol, sounds like me.  It's hard to get comfortable on a house shot if it doesn't play to your strengths.  I've had one that I've struggled with for a couple years now.  The simplest thing I can tell you is to aim primarily to hit the pocket.  You may not hit it the way you want to (my biggest problem), but when you really look at the other bowlers, only the best of the scratch bowlers hit high flush for a high percentage of their strikes.  It's hard to develop trust in what your reaction is gonna be.  It's easier to have more control on tougher shots, because there's not such a pressure to strike on every shot.  The scoring pace is going to be lower, so you can just concentrate on hitting the pocket and leaving yourself easy spares.  

I've found that sometimes I have to sacrifice this weird pride I have and play the shot that knocks the pins down.  If I have to be a fluffer to score, that's what I need to make myself do.  I might catch crap like "oh, you really mowed them over that time," but it's ultimately the scores that get people's attention.  I can in effect sell out and shoot 750, or stick to an angle that looks more impressive and shoot 650.  Besides, that's the name of the game.  Knowing how to score is more important than knowing how to bowl on a THS.  Sucks, but that's life.
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Re: Struggles with THS
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2005, 03:09:18 PM »
It's like I said, people told me time and again to throw harder, but that just didn't seem to work.  When I started to just try to hit a spot further down the lane, I hit it time and again, and it snapped back to the pocket nicely.  I didn't even feel like I was really trying to throw it hard either.  I'll try it out tomorrow night and see if it works on a regular basis, as tomorrow night is when I play leagues at my home house where I've struggled with the shot.  I also have a Big Deal and Zone Classic on the way to improve my arsenal, and I'm really excited about that!!  I know maybe I should start a new thread about this, but what exactly are these oval grips I'm hearing about?

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Re: Struggles with THS
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2005, 08:11:09 PM »
Anyone else have these kind of problems with the supposedly easy house shot?

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Re: Struggles with THS
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2005, 08:27:17 PM »
Could be that mechanics r off or ur just not focused.  Most of the time when i shoot on sport shots i do better because i need to make a better shot than on a THS.  You get more focused and u make more shots.  some people perform better under pressure
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Re: Struggles with THS
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2005, 08:52:52 PM »
I really didn't learn to score well on THS until I learned to swing the ball a little.  You need to keep the ball in the oil and then try to bounce it off of the dry around the 7 or 8 board at 40 to 45 feet down the lane.  If it breaks too early then you need to change something.  This could be by moving a little deeper inside to get more oil, more speed, more side turn to induce more skid or use a ball with less surface.  There are some great tips at the link I have listed below.  Some other generous soul on this site turned me on to this last fall.  It has helped alot.  Hope this helps.

http://www.bowl4fun.com/ron/roncarchive.htm

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Re: Struggles with THS
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2005, 08:33:28 AM »
Well, I have yet to really try to swing the ball and bounce it off the dry.  That's something I intend to work on when I get my new, more aggressive equipment.

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Re: Struggles with THS
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2005, 09:05:55 AM »
If you have a clean walled shot you will not need more aggressive equipment. Just try different lines and take advantage of the fiction which is present on the outside boards. If you do not play too fast (considering some reasonable amount of oil on the lane) you should be able to let the dry boards "guide" your Sharp Blade into the pocket, even when you try to play a more inside line. It should react good to this lane setup?

Another solution could be that you try to steer the ball subconsciously. That's tricky...

What I found out and works fine for me on my local THS (they gave us bone dry 7 boards left and right!) with rather light oil is to play my "light oil" equipment (TPC Shooter, Eraser Particle Pearl, Trauma - all of them rather strong balls...) with a straight or broken back wrist to kill/reduce hook and side roll, lightly increased speed (held between waist and shoulders) and standing at board 29 with my right shoe tip, aiming at the area 3' behind 13th board at the arrows.
Sounds complicated, but this shot works perfectly for me - I either can let the balls roll down into the pocket through the oil, have good impact on Brookly hits and con exploit the dry outside borads to let the ball bounce back when I stray to the right. Gave me on Sunday my second highest average ever - a 185 through 7 games, with a 234 high game (and 2 other 200+). And it only works because I do not play against this grippy lane, but just let the balls roll down and let dynamics rule.

This may not directly help, but this is how I overcame my current THS.
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Re: Struggles with THS
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2005, 10:30:41 AM »
I think perhaps sometimes when I try to play inside and bounce it off the dry I play too steep an angle and dump it in the gutter.  One of these days, probably when I get my new balls, I'll start practicing that kind of shot.  I'll just stick with down and in for now.

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Re: Struggles with THS
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2005, 01:39:18 PM »
I remember awhile back Anthony Chapman(achappy) told me a very helpful strategy when attacking a shot that's "too easy".  Simply get in your comfort zone, and try to replicate the same feel out of your hand on each shot.  That way you're in your natural playing zone and you'll adjust subconciously, the only work you have to do is repeating the same feel from everything in your approach to delivering the ball.

Due to an injury I haven't been able to throw a ball in the past 5 or 6 weeks, but I may get around to doing so this weekend or next week.  Hopefully that'll help some on the THS.
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Re: Struggles with THS
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2005, 05:31:21 PM »
I saw this post at Columbia's website and used it to keep up with and gain on some very good tournament bowlers in our area.

http://www.columbia300.com/interact/atx.cfm?id=1033&page=2

Despite a rough start I had a legitimate shot at averaging 200 on a shot where no lefty had done so in 3 years.  With average sparemaking I would have.
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Re: Struggles with THS
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2005, 05:35:25 PM »
Oh above section has a lot of other good tech stuff...great site!

Also one of our good bowlers on this site is having very good success with
http://www.princetonbowl.com/CURRENT%20ARSENAL.htm

Take a look at the drilling on his hot Rod Hybrid to see a drilling for over/under.

Haven't tried one in a long time but I'm going to!

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