Post by: TheSquirrel on May 26, 2010, 06:52:09 AM
http://www.bowl.com/news/xmlburner.jsp?xa=./webapps/ROOT/news/main/data/050110AnnualMeetingFinal.xml
Amendment No. TR2 (Approved)
Rule 319a. Conditions that Apply
Treats all averages, including summer averages the same.
Someone had mentioned to me that summer league averages would be added to the local association yearbooks. I think that is ridiculous because they are about 10-12 week leagues. This will only promote people to average lower in summer! I know the intent was for people to have to use the higher averages they carry in the summer, but with minimal games in the summer that is part of the reason why people average higher! I don't sandbag, but if end up carrying 230+ in summer I may not be able to get into some local leagues next year! I believe this will create major controversies and they are truly punishing bowlers who decide to bowl all season. I am voting for our league to end after 6 weeks and then start a new league for another 6 games, or just not be sanctioned next year. Please let me know your thoughts and concerns.......when it starts, nobody knows!
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Post by: rymacatthedisco on May 26, 2010, 07:10:42 PM
i can also see this leading to a lot of people not bowling summer leagues or only bowling 18 games in a league so their big average doesnt count
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Post by: Tex on May 26, 2010, 11:13:50 PM
I think the big thing is if you run tournaments, and I do, we will have to write in the rules if we do not want to count summer averages now or you will have to really use your highest book. That highest now will include summer. I think this could have a negative affect on summer leagues for some bowlers. On the flip side as mentioned by others. I have seen summer averages 15-20 pins higher than winter. Is that because the centers juice up the shot in the summer to inspire bowlers for the winter, the shorter season or those bowlers let loose and really bowl because they know it didn't really matter.
Post by: nocarey on May 26, 2010, 11:54:25 PM
Post by: kidlost2000 on May 27, 2010, 12:07:30 AM
I went on a run for about 12 weeks bowling two leagues where I was averaging 230 during the 2nd half of the season. I finished the year with 219 in both. If that was a summer league and I was averaging 230, and knew it would have to count I would start sandbagging the rest of that summer to get my average back down. Usually it doesn't matter once you get close to 220 because you have no handicap anyways, but it can still effect leagues with caps.
I also understand that it would be easy for a lower average bowler to have a few good weeks and get the minimum games in and be screwed with a higher book average then they deserve. Sandbaggers usually flock to unsanctioned events to prevent worries on average anyways.
Just another great reason to avoid summer leagues and play golf.
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Post by: AlBundy33 on May 27, 2010, 06:49:02 AM
Truth be told, I bowled in one unsanctioned summer league years ago and it ended up turning into a debacle.....so personally I probably would never go down that route again.
Post by: kidlost2000 on May 27, 2010, 08:31:31 AM
Local bowler got in his minimum games the last few seasons and is bowling in a summer league using a plastic ball. Some one with most of their honor scores shot at PBA regionals is not what you want to see at a tournament going off of a 180 book average. Would a tournament re-rate you if they knew you were a former sponsored PBA player with a 180 average?
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Post by: rackattack on May 27, 2010, 05:05:06 PM
This will simply give bowlers a reason to elect not to sanction the high roller summer leagues so no scores need be reported.
I will continue to use my summer father/son fun league to work with my son and experiment with my game. This league gets whatever oil happens to be left on the lane and I often can barely keep plastic from going coast to coast. This allows me to work on my deep inside 'C' game without bagging.
Now I will benefit from my lower summer 'work in progress' average used to lower my composite for fall league qualification.
Well thought out USBC.
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Post by: glssmn2001 on May 27, 2010, 06:50:16 PM
Post by: J_w73 on May 27, 2010, 08:27:47 PM
quote:
In reading that the rule falls under the Tournament rule category and not the league rule category.
I was just going to post this.. Summer league averages are valid for use in tournaments.
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Post by: kidlost2000 on May 27, 2010, 11:54:35 PM
If it counts a fall and a summer as your past two years or seasons for book average then it would be easier to lower you average for the following calendar year.
Hope that made sense.
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